Actions Detrimental To Stock Car Racing
Tuesday August 14, 2007
In 2007 we have heard NASCAR officials use the phrase "actions detrimental to stock car racing" quite a bit. NASCAR uses this section of the rule book (12-4-A) for virtually every penalty. I agree that drug use and failing inspection obviously qualify as detrimental. However, I am becoming less convinced that driver emotion should fit that category.
Specifically, does anyone believe that Kevin Harvick and Juan Pablo Montoya did anything that was "detrimental to stock car racing" during Sunday's Watkins Glen race?
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I don’t think their actions were detrimental, I just think their emotions were high and that was that. It shows that there real people racing and not robots. I wouldn’t expect anything less out of any driver.
NASCAR drivers are no different than any other atheletes. They have emotions and when they feel they have been wronged they sometimes let their emotions show, just like a Pro football player or basketballer or dare I say baseball. I don’t see any other major sport loosing thier fans because of emotions. I believe NASCAR is looking for ROBOTS or maybe Un-Manned Vehicles to race. I do belive that racers have a responsibility to thier fans, however, they are human too and a true fan knows that and wants to see it from time to time. Maybe NASCAR will be happy when there are only 3 or 4 SUPER TEAMS then they will be able to have true total control and run it like the dictatorships of old. Whatever happen to “Run What You Brung”, that is where it all started, I bet you saw a lot of emotions then.
What happened Sunday was good for Press and Nascar .We can only hope Nascar lets it go as just hard racing . I think Kevin was showing off because he knows Montoya has a bad rep at the moment .I alway felt to be a race car driver you needed to be able to handle a possible conflict outside the car as well as on the track .In racing you have a higher risk for injury ,so why not get mad once in a while .ITS OK !!
Here Kitty, Kitty!
I agree with the other guys. They are human just like the rest of us and I haven’t met one person in my life yet that hasn’t reacted to a situation in a bad way only to regret it later. It was a heat of the moment incident and their emotions took control instead of their level heads. Let’s not take all the fun out of racing. We want more than a bunch of high priced cars going around in circles with no action. The way it is going with all the rule changes, etc. that is what we can look forward to in the future. It is sad they keep trying to change a good thing.
I agree with the other comments, but what I don’t agree if Tony Steward was fined for saying a curse in front of the cameras Kevin should it be fined too because he was making a threat to Montoya when he said those words. I am not a Tony Steward fan but I think Tony didn’t say anything that really offend anyone, but yet KEVIN HARVICK did if you are threating someone like he did. I think Nascar should counsel and act immediately.
Harvick should have kicked his *ss.
I think Montoya should be put on probation to the end of the year, substantially fined, and given the ole “heave-ho” when this season’s done.
It seems that weekly Montoya is “warned” about his “aggressive driving” (read - he apparently thinks he’s Earnhardt Sr. with his driving, hitting, and spinning out style) and he’s back to the same old thing the very next week. What’s his excuse? That he doesn’t speak English and continues to think that NASCAR is Formula 1 so the rules don’t apply to him? One can only hope that when the inevitable wreck due to Montoya’s inexcusable behavior on the track which causes a death happens that Montoya doesn’t take another with him.
It was obvious to anyone watching the tape after Montoya deliberately hit Harvick that he was totally out of control. You do NOT grab another driver’s face mask, push him, or touch him first. Most places that’s considered assault. “Heat of the moment” and “that’s driving” doesn’t cut it when NASCAR claims to be family-friendly. Very poor example for those trying to learn “good sportsmanship”, gentlemen.
NASCAR, time to stop playing favorites & keep all the penalties ratcheting up until the drivers get it through their heads that being “macho” on the track at the high speeds will NOT be accepted any longer.
Valgurd,
You are are out of your mind. People are going to react when they feel that someone has wronged them, especially when the adrenaline is flowing.
That’s when it became entertainment and not just a show.
Somebody needs to just open a can of “Whoop-*ss” on Juan before he kills someone. He reminds me of a great movie, the Days of Thunder & one of my favorite lines that Bob Duvall said: “I want you to hit the pace car,” why? asked Tom Cruise, “Cause you’ve hit every-d*mn-thing else on the track & I want you to be perfect.”
This guy is out of control & NASCAR better step in soon.
Sooner wrote “You are are out of your mind. People are going to react when they feel that someone has wronged them, especially when the adrenaline is flowing.”
A) Personal attacks (”You are out of your mind”) do nothing short of proving that the writer has appointed itself judge, jury, and executioner and shows that they have NOTHING valid to add to the personal point of view of another. All such can do is spout off and “think” they’re going to impress others with their spouting. All such a writing does is show failure to completely think the situation through from another’s viewpoint and that the writer might be all of 19 years old, if that.
B)”People are going to react when they feel that someone has wronged them, especially when the adrenaline is flowing” is nothing short of a cop-out and failure to accept responsibility for their actions of one who’s reacted most inappropriately. This is dangerous at best and homicidal/suicidal at least when cars that are within inches of each other and doing 100+ MPH. That’s why these guys are supposed to be PROFESSIONALS (Google it) and not punk wannabes out on a race track. Wannabes, one would think, would never have the chance to severely maim or kill others. That’s why one hires PROFESSIONALS for the dangerous jobs. From my POV had it been anyone but Montoya that’d laid the first hand on the other driver(as he did on Hendrick and was shown repeatedly on the tape), he’d have been in the NASCAR truck so fast his feet would not have hit the ground once, he’d be stripped of more driver points and owner points than has been passed out in any one case thus far, and the financial penalty would doubtless have been in the six-figure bracket just to drive the point home that 1)he needs anger management courses like Steward did, & 2)he doesn’t have any business out on a go-cart track let along a NASCAR NEXTEL venue.
C)Such behavior on NASCAR’s part would have shown they’re serious about dealing with “actions detrimental to stock car racing”. It’s still early on Tuesday, so maybe they’ll yet give Montoya a reality check where it’ll do the most good. As it is, I’m not going to hold my breath. When warning after warning after warning about knocking off the aggressive driving is ignored, why should he now pay attention? He’s been being rewarded for unsportsmanlike conduct at the very least.
D)Why not come back when you have a valid counter suggestion or several? All I’m trying to point out is that the way the “standards” that NASCAR is using at this point are double-standard. Once NASCAR can figure out a consistent standard to which ALL drivers will be held then it might come back to the high esteem it was once held in.
As it is, do you happen to remember the time that Jeff Gordon was furious when the same kind of thing happened to him that happened to Kendrick? Jeff got SLAMMED with penalties. Nada thus far for Montoya. So this “People are going to react when they feel that someone has wronged them, especially when the adreneline is flowing.” is suitable for the liner of a bird cage. Fair’s fair, and NASCAR is NOT being fair.
Actions Detrimental to Staock Car Racing.
I have been watching NASCAR for almost 40 years now. Maybe my memory is not what it use to be, but I do not recall hearing about this back in the Pearson / Baker / Richard Petty / Allison / Issac days.
Seems like we have created a situation for the drivers where we are setting them up to be penalized.
What do I mean by that? Well, we have asked to step into thier world. Back in “the day”, there was maybe 5 or 6 TV cameras placed around the track. Today we have probably 10x that amount, maybe more. All angles around the track, inside the car, outside the car, under the car, over the car, in the drivers face, by his feet, on his helmet.
We stick a microphone in the drivers face at ANY oppertunity, even while he is racing at 200+mph We as fans have asked to get inside thier world. Then we get upset when an exhausted driver uses a cus word that can be heard across many cable / sat channels any time of the day. Layer on top of that the increases stress we have placed on the drivers with sponsor commitments to perform. No wonder he is pissed when he is interviewed!
I know if I got boogered into the wall, and some reporter stuck a microphone in my face moments after it happened, I would be using worse words than you all have heard so far.
Bottom line, be careful what you ask for, you may just get it!
Hey Valgerd you have some valid points when it comes to Nascar consistence but Montoya didn’t hit Harvick he was punted in to him ! Also Harvick approached Montoya and touched him first.Lets look back and see how many drivers started out with that BAD BOY syndrome .Names like Dale,Tony,Robby,Davy,and even Jeff Gordon .The list goe’s on but my point is Montoya will soon be off the hook and some new young gun will come along and start it all over again .Thats Racing !
Nascar likes to play GOD. They could hire puppets that way they could have it their way all the time. But then who would pay some of their stupip fines. Put their butts in a car going 200 mph have somebody wreck them, see how many gosh & golly Gees come out of their mouths. What happened to 7second delay,poof there goes the money.
Let them race and get angry. Thats what racing is all about.
I dont think the argument,not fight,is an issue.I never saw a fight where no punches are thrown.The only issue I see is language,and maybe working on your car during a red flag.I do think Juans driving needs to be addressed, that wasnt his only incident in the race.Didnt Nascar sit Reagen out for bad driving?
I think they both should be fined and put on probation. They looked like a couple of children at the play ground being bullies. If one driver gets punished then all should be,
Juan Montoya is “detrimental to stock car racing” He does not speak our language, He does not follow our rules and he does not even live in the US.
He lives by the motto of “if you can’t race’em wreck’em” mentality. Time Nascar stepped up and said we will hold you to the same rules we hold everyone else to. Hes already on probation so what now we smack his hand with the ruler and say be nice from here on or we are going to put you on double secret probation next time…
Harvick will pay his fine because he said what he was gonna do and he does not care what others think.
also…..
Im also a little tired of that whiney little racer in the fedex car. He is so talented but somebody needs to take him to the woodshed and clue him in on the fact that he needs to learn that regardless of what he thinks he is not the best racer to ever strap on a helment. His statement heard over the radio stating he should have spun Gordon to get by just goes to show hes just a spoiled rotten brat. He did not have the car and could not pass so his answer was spin him. Tony should spin him again just to remind him of his place. Just like big E did when Jeff , Tony, and the other hot shots started to get to big for their britches…
I like NASCAR and I think they have done a great job promoting stock car racing. But they are getting carried away. If anyone should practice restraint it should be NASCAR.
I agree with just about ever one here. NASCAR doesn’t have a set way punishing offenders. They pick and chose who to fine at a given race. Someone may get fined for pushing and another will not. Its just like not letting Jeff Burton change Cingular for AT&T,but its ok for Nextel to change to Sprint. No wonder their TV ratings are going down,people are getting tired of them playing GOD. It may take awhile,but someday NASCAR will be just a memory.
Hey 1969rs, great comment!! We as fans want to be as close to racing as we can get, then when we’re too close and hear something we didn’t want to hear or see something we didn’t want to see, we think Nascar should fine and penalize the driver.Well wake up. you’re in his world, he’s not in ours.
NASCAR should be fined under (12-4-a).Nascar dictating driver personalities is detrimental to the sport.Love Tony hate him one thing for sure his personality is a thro back to real racing.Harvick and Montoya should be applauded for standing for what they felt was right.Gordon a great driver is to much of a media darling for me and many others,How many times do we have to hear drivers be spokesholes for the sanctioning body.Give me a driver who speaks his mind, let’s the chips fall where they may, and isn’t afraid to knock the snot out of his adversary.Cars as weapons,cheating,intentionally wrecking another thats where Nascar should worry not what a driver says or who he slaps around.No more spokesholes let drivers speak their mind.Not bashing any drivers when i say spokesholes,its just we have enough and need more who will speak their mind.
This is NASCAR (Stock Car?) racing for God’s sake. Let them be human.
“Kick out the JAMS”! (and Yuppies!)
Let them all take their baby strollers somewhere else. To the park maybe? Loud engine noise isn’t good for infants, what ever their age.
What’s the big deal about two guys getting mad over what happened on the track? That’s all a part of racing! No one got hurt and it was great entertainment. There’s so many rules and regulations anymore, all the fun is being taken out of NASCAR. Shoot, in the old days, they really got into it!!
Its just racing.Back in the “good old days”you would see a lot more than you do now.Bobby and Cale having a fight for bumping.Put the bumper to the person in front of you to move him over.
First off they’re men, second they’re in fast cars, and third it’s a competition. It woudln’t be real if there weren’t emotions flying. I’m surprised that we don’t see more of it. Who cares? Let them blow off some steam and get over it.
Sometimes beatiful and sometimes ugly, it’s racing not a popularity contest. Nascar has watered down the sport to be scripted and as polished as possible to meet their personal idea of what is popular. That is not racing.
I have 2 comments. First, if you will recall, Truex got behind JPM and got him loose…in turn 1 where a couple of great road course drivers lost it, namely Gordon and Stewart. So all of the Montoya bashing seems a bit over the edge.
Second, it was Harvick that 1)pulled across the race track and blocked Montoya 2) Got out of his car and walked around in front of Montoya’s car (making HIM the agressor, not JPM) and 3) got into Montoya’s face first. Montoya tried to explain to Harvick that he was punted. Harvick, on the other hand, threatened Montoya with bodily harm.
So where is the outcry to have Harvick parked, fined, put on probation, or otherwise chastised for “Actions Detrimental to Stock Car Racing”. There aren’t any…and won’t be any. Why? Becaues he is driving Dale Earnhardt’s car for Richard Childress.
Just my opinion.
I think that Montoya should be penalized for the rest of the season. I feel the proper penalty would be to allow him in the field each week but force him to line up in front of Robby Gordon.
I agree JPM was not at total fault here. I did not see the race but saw the replays. JPM was punted. I am sure after Happy Harvick seen the replays, he was eating a few of his words. Differance between David Regan getting sat down and JPM was Regan was simply in need of more experience and was placed in a car that was over his ability. JPM, although new to NASCAR, can drive extremely well, but is extremely too aggressive. He wants to do everything on the first lap. I am not a fan of his, but just an observer.
I think the comments about letting the drivers individual personalities shine is spot on. How exciting would the sport be if EVERY driver spoke the same, had the same comments, looked the same, acted the same. We are dangerously close to that now.
NASCAR, get your head out of your butt and let the drivers be themselves. The drivers that are jerks will loose fans and the ones that are great personalities will gain fans. Overall, NASCAR will win. Why do so many people tune in to wrestling? Different personalities. You have your good guys and bad guys. Some people love the good guys, some love the bad guys. But all love the sport.
The previous comment was right that NASCAR is attempting to water down the sport. You know what happens when you water down something? It looses flavor. Loose flavor, it becomes bland, boring, less desirable.
Over the past five years, what memorable race clip will be played for decades to come? I cannot name one, can you? But how many times do we see the Yarbourough kick fighting in the infield footage? It was two personalities going at it. Or the Rusty Wallace / Darrell Waltrip incident where crew members were pushing eachother as the car headed twards victory lane. Again, two strong personalities.
It amazes me that NASCAR, as big as they are, does not see this. Could you imagine how this sport would grow if NASCAR and sponsors allowed the drivers to be themselves?
It is getting so bad that I turn off the TV when they do the victory lane interviews. They are so bland, sterile, and rehearsed, it makes me want to puke.
I have to say it would of been sweet to see Kevin smack Juan right upside the helmit, But we all know that wouldnt be right. Kevin is way too short tempered to wait till u get back to the hauler and watch the replay. Nascar should have a boxing ring next to winners circle so the conflict can be brought there, talk about getting your moneys worth. Oh, and my moneys on Tony Stewart
I think the only thing NASCAR is worried about is the money they may loose form sponsor’s get over it NASCAR it’s racing.
Strick, JPM chose to gear his car so he could use first gear on the track therefore making his restarts pitiful. He cant have it both ways he should have stayed in line and sucked it up and lost a position. That’s the second time he has taken KH out and he had enough. I think Kevin handled it just fine in the old days Kevin would have deck him. The new Kevin let him know what he thinks of his driving.
For the record, Harvick touched Montoya first. Hard to see but it’s there.
Valgerd knows their A, B, C’s. You are funny. Ha Ha Ha!!!!!!!
This crap NASCAR does to certain drivers is why I am watching more and more NHRA!!!!!!!
It all comes down to “RACE” I really hate to say it but NASCAR is afraid to do anything so they wont be called racist. Come on people you know there will be some group out there that will do it.
fines and pentlies should be consistent according to nascar so both should be fined and put on probation like they have done Tony Stewart several times. i’m not a srewart fan but fair is fair.that wasn’t a good example for the kids watching the race.
I’m suprised that Montoya has lasted as long as he has. After all a woman didn’t make it and neither did a black man. This is a redneck sport from day one. Monyoya must think he’s Earnhardt SR reincarnated. Every week he pushes the limit with other drivers, I’m suprised someone hasn’t already kicked his tail. Being a Harvick fan I say that he should be fined however. He DID get out of the car and go after Montoya after all.
david,
Your kidding right? If your not I am ashamed to have ANYTHING in common with you. I hope that you are a NASCAR hater and your ready to, “turn off”, the sport week in and week out. Please turn off soon. I would love to know what Kevin thinks of your racist/sexist thoughts!? Nevermind….I’m sure he would find them what they are…ridiculous. And so are you.
NASCAR’s favorite suckup (so some say)
TLabonte Fan
(I hope Terry is not p’oed that I use his name!)
Fines and penalties HAVE TO BE COSISTENT!!!!! But who wouldn’t have kicked Montoya’s A** after the wreck given the Information Harvick had at that time. I REALLY don’t like Harvick. (For various reasons some probably not very rational) But like Harvick said “Seems like every week Montoya is running over someone” and remember Harvick didn’t have the pleasure of looking at the replay first. I believe Truex was mostly to blame but Montoya was blocking a charging car which is inherently more dangerous than getting passed and with out the blocking Montoya would have lost a position but finished the race.(Along with Harvick and Burton.) They better check Montoya’s driving like they have with Junior,Harvick,and Stewart in the past or someone will get seriously hurt. And Montoya may end up getting a long streak of DNF’s Because people will not put up with his driving style.Harvick is just the most recent driver to show his distaste for Montoya.
I am not a Montoya fan, but the wreck was not his fault. Then for all the billy bad butt talk Harvick did leave his helmet on.
I think Nascar is going to have its “hands full” next year with team rivalry’s, let alone Kyle Busch and Tony Stewart on the same team…bet Joe Gibbs is going to have his work cut out for him trying to keep these 2 hotheads apart. Needless to say, J.D. Gibbs was just handed his job by his dad, J.D. is probably ordering Valium already.
NASCAR IS JUST RUINING RACING.IN THE OLD
DAYS OF HONEST RACING, WHOEVER HAD THE
BETTER CAR AND THE BETTER IDEA AND USED
IT, WON AND THAT IS WHAT RACING IS ALL
ABOUT.NOT THE CRAP THAT EVERY ONE HAS TO
BE EQUAL. NUTS TO NASCARR AND THEIR STUPIDITY.
Actions detrimental? Hell, this little tiff between Harvick and Montoya was nothing. I think that little bit of gritty, maybe more in your face type racing is what makes NASCAR different than F1 or Indy. Those race series have incredible talent too, but it’s rare to see too much hot headed stuff. I miss the days of AJ Foyt, does anyone else? Actions detrimental could be truly labeled on Ginn racing and what they did in mid-season to Nemechek and Marlin, that was detrimental to the sport more than two guys getting pissed off at each other and having a few words.
WPM,KYL Busch & Edwards all drive over their heads, crash into some one and then say “I’M sorry” WPM should have never dove in front of Truex in the first place and there would not have been an accident.WPM 2 for 2 cars of his wrecked this week, 1 Busch 1 Cup.
He should be sent to “demolition derby”
The point here is not whether Happy Harvick was the first to throw or was it JPM? The point is we have at least 2 drivers that are greatly needed in NASCAR. Tony who is always willing to call things like they really are (Even if others dont really like it). We have Harvick who is willing to stand up for what he thought was right by an old fashioned Butt Kickin (Talk is cheap lets have action)!! Oh and “(FOR THE RECORD)” hee hee JPM did kinda start the mess by driving across 4 lanes of traffic to block Truex (I know thats what racing is about) giving Martin NO PLACE TO GO because JPM was obviously much slower. And Kevin (like it or not) was willing to show Mr Jaun the error of his ways. I cant say that either Tony or Kevin is a big FAV of mine, however they both posses an attitude that shows we are all human, and not the ROBOTS that NASCAR seems to desire. Keep it up Smoke and Happy!!!!
I agree with you kingcobra63. I couldnt have said it better.
NASCAR ? I THOUGHT THE SEASON WAS OVER. I HAVE SEEN A RACE IN OVER A MONTH.
The incident between Harvick and Montoya was nothing more than a couple good drivers venting some steam. It’s what keeps the sport exciting! There was never any danger, other than Montoya was going to get his butt kicked, LOL…..
I think NASCAR needs to wake up! They’re losing long-time fans left and right because of their over involvment. They want the big bucks that sponsors bring in, they want the big bucks from network affliation and broadcasting, and then they want the drivers to be actors in check with their emontions 24/7! Come on! Would any of this even be an issue if it were in front of the crowd and not in front of viewers on TV? Heck no! It’s all about making them perfect for the camera! In the process those of us that are at home watching are getting tired of the sanctions by NASCAR for not letting racers be racers! I’m much more offended by the repetetive Viagra & male enhancement commercials, and having to explain, or rather dodge that, with my 10 year old, then a few shoves and some foul language on the light side!
I think NASCAR needs to use what the NFL does for a penalty. Yellow flag the offender for a personal foul and move him back one place at the finish of the race for every offence and toss your butt out of the race after 3 flags and not allow you to start the next race. Just loosing the points and the purse money might help during the race.
I believe they should let boy’s be boy’s just the way it was years before, we get emotional when people wrong us are we feel compromised. Plus they will let us watch them crash and burn why not let us see them argue and fight for what they feel is right on the track. FREE SPEACH IS FREE SPEACH WE HEAR WORSE ON OTHER PROGRAMS THAN THESE FINE GENTLEMEN OF NASCAR.
Great suggestion JD Bawlsac. Not only does this affect the current race, it also starts affecting upcoming races as actions become more detrimental.
Penalties or no penalties, I enjoyed every second of it. For a moment I felt like I was living throug Kevin Harvick. It’s about time somebody got hold of him. Thanks Kevin!!!
who cares. stickin with the robby gordon story, the most detremental thing about nascar is the nascar brass. wrong is still wrong
Living through kevin? Wow Someone really needs help on here. Robby gordon story? OLD NEWS Another person needs help.
i don’t think they deserve to get punished. montoya runs into someone every single race. he deserved to get told how it is and its about time someone stood up to him. i am sick and tired of him saying “i’m sorry”. go back to F1 montoya. i enjoyed watching them go at it. i wish it would’ve gone farther.
To those people who think montoya caused the accident are obviously racist. Montoya darted to the inside but didnt have very fast restarts so when truex got to him he ended up bumping him sending montoya out of control. Surprise to see that more fans liking montoya because his driving style is similar to The Intimidator. And it is quite obvious that montoya is an extremely good driver because he was successful in F1 and only the best get to race F1.
And Harvick, I do think he did the right thing, but had he known Truex triggered it, I dont think he would be mad at Montoya
All of you keep telling me that hoping for wrecks doesn’t make you a fan, and all you are talking about is the wreck between Montoya and Harvick. Wouldn’t all wrecks be “actions detrimental to stock car racing”, and shouldn’t anyone involved in a wreck, or at least the one who caused it, be fined becuase they are cutting into the true race?
I expect to see more writing on things like “Dale took turn 3 realy well on lap 42″ or “That was a good pit stop by Jimmy”, and not writing about the wrecks since “fans” should not care for them…
Jeff, I have read some right on comments and some well some not right on messages on here on Steve’s web site. I also seen some comments on here makes a person wonder how parents could have raised kids that think that way, but kids due imitate their elders that would be you, and # 40. When I seen your comment that said the people that who think that Montoya caused the accident obviously racist. How do you come up with that theory? So what is your theory when there is talk on here when other drivers cause accidents, do you claim racist on Earnhardt, Petty, Stewart, Busch’s too?
You may be right on one thing Harvick may not been as mad if he knew truex had caused it, Then again every driver out there knows that Montoya has a habit of knocking others or spinning them out he’s done that all year long.
Just because they put up with him in F-1 doesn’t mean that Nascar should put up with him spinning others out on a regular basis.
#29 is a hot head just like Robby Gordon is. Cannot keep his mouth shut or his emotions under control! Then top it off whith the topics such as this for a headline news story. I’m sorry, but don’t beat a sorry horse with a old stick.
modoc is another nascar dream fan. modoc as well nascar wants robots for drivers. They think drivers should not have emotions or be able to speak their minds. nascar should rename themselves to robocar.
To those of you out there who have been watching NASCAR longer than 7 years, remember the good old dasys when you could “rub” a guy, just enough to get him loose, and let him know you werre the faster car? The good old “chrome horn”.
To those of you that think Big E was too aggressive, why do you think they called him The Intimidator”, because he knew how to use his car to usually gently let those around him know that he wanted to be where they were, and he was faster, or at least had a better handling car.
Comparing JPM to Big E is an insult, because JPM is just a wannabe.
NASCAR neeeds to go check the graves of all the great drivers we have lost, and especially that of Big Bill France, to see if they have turned over in their graves from embarassment due to the sport becoming so petty, and scripted. There’s just too much acting, and most of it bad, if I wanted to see acting that bad, I’d tape soap operas.
NASCAR, get back to your roots, don’t abandon them, remember, this was all started by Moonshiners that were trying to earn money to feed their families, and then arguing over who had the faster car. All Big Bill did was see a need to organize, and did so.
In regards to NJNascar48, don’t bash someone if you don’t even know how to spell his name correctly dumb!@#$!! It’s TONY STEWART NOT TONY STEWARD GET IT RIGHT
Personally I’m not a Stewart fan but I do know how to spell his name correctly if I had something to say about him. You should feel “SPECIAL”
I’ve never seen so many frickn people with nothing better to do than sit around bashing Harvick,Stewart,ect. Do you people really have nothing better to do with your time?? It’s a sport, just like any other and there is always going to be some type of drama, anymore watching NASCAR is like watching Laguna Beach. Let’s get back to the heart of racing and do the sport a favor, send Montoya packing back to where ever the hell he came from, because I personally wouldn’t let him drive my daughter’s tricycle.
Scooter You have something in common with those people you described as nothing better to do except to come on here and bash, You come on here to play school teacher and check for spelling. Uhm
Kevin should have kick some *ss.
I feel the drivers can not release like they use to. I miss the old days.
It made my day to see a helmet go flying!!! (or something else) Now they can even swear. Like NO ONE in the race
audience is swearing. And children do not hear it at home or with friends.
I don’t think the shoving and pushing that was done was detremental to the sport, but I wonder why Jeff Gordon got a $10,000 fine and put on probabtion for shoving Matt Kenseth and these guys got nothing. Makes you wonder!
Actually, Brian France is guilty of violating section 12-4-A
Conflict started on the dirt track and is part of racing may it always be
I think rather than trying to catch every little move that makes a car .0001 seconds faster they should the teams to be more creative in trying to find speed but make all cars race off 87 octane pump gas instead of racing fuel, this would even probably eliminate the need for restrictor plates but still allow for great competitive races and allow more ingenuity from the race team combine with driver skill and good car setups to determine the winner, They’d have to tune down the engines, and use everything else the car has to get the speed. It seems as if it would benifit the fans as much more could be learned from the race cars if they had to use the same type gas.
i am not prejuidice towards JPM. he thinks he can come into nascar and be #1, he has to earn the respect of the fans, other drivers and anyone else. he has not won my respect because of his snotty attitude. hes pissed off so many drivers every week its about time someone tells him how it should be!
i don’t think he has any respect from anyother drivers. i mean at the busch race in mexico he wrecked his own teamate to win. i know its racing but still that shows he has NO respect. and don’t compare him to Dale Earnhardt. hes nothing like him!! JPM needs to knock off his attitude and start earning respect. which he has NONE from me.
WTav, Do you know what had done by stating your comment? All of this time people made comments of the “GOLDEN BOY” of NASCAR and he can’t do no wrong. You had stated the socalled golden boy got a fine and these two guys didn’t. I see a conspiracy against the golden boy.
Emotions should not be considered “detramental” to Nascar. After all, the drivers are human and should be allowed, to a point, to express their displeasure with another driver’s actions.
seems to me that quite a few of these comments are the reason that people make fun of nascar fans
Put Them ALL On Probation…Just For The Fun Of It!!
) Maybe they will GET!!! something out of THAT :-O
WALTRIP 55 It really doesn’t matter if you are a fan of something you going to be made fun of anyway by somebody.
Look at Football fans, they are out there in freezing weather with nothing more than paint on their upper body.
Golf fans- Well they’re dumb enough to stand out there in the heat so someone hit a stupid little white ball.
The list goes on.
If NASCAR would leave the drivers alone and let them settle it on the track like in the old days, we would have much better races. Used to be if you intentionally pushed the envelope too far you knew you would get it back…and every racing fan would be watching for it…and enjoying every minute of it!!!!
Hey WALTRIP 55
Who gives a rat dookie if some people make fun of us NASCAR fans? Just shows how stupid they are!
I thought both Harvick and Montoya did good Jeff Gordon impressions; the helmets stayed ON!!!
Great comments all around. Go back to Pearson, Cale, Allison, etc. days, now there was some banging and fist-ta-cuffs all over the place. Drivers today are calmer to me. Let them race, nickle, dime stuff happens, talk and let it go.
JPM should not carry any of the blame for what happened. Blocking is perfectly legal in NASCAR and you would bre hard pressed to name one driver who has never blocked. Blocking is part of the game - always has been and always will be. You will also be extemely hard pressed to find a driver that is or ever was considered one of the best in NASCAR that did not wreck a lot of good race cars in their rookie or even sophmore seasons. They all block and they all use their bumpers. So What - Your man Harvick got taken out - did you see the Canada race where Harvck wrecked 6-8 cars and by intentionally using his bumper and was still given the victory?
Also - NASCAR needs to drop the probation garbage and start parking cars. Gordon and Johnson should have been parked for their infractions instead of just sitting out the crew chiefs. Until they parkem, the blatant cheating will continue.
ohmigosh, 1969rs, you said exactly what I have been saying. You can’t step into someone’s car (face) and expect them to talk like they are at a business meeting! We don’t put speakers on other athletes.
I saw nothing detrimental. Just 2 guys driven to win. Isn’t that what we are here to watch??
To those of you that remember the only reason that nascar is shown nationwide on tv is because of a fight. If it was not for Cale and Allison going at it in the first Daytona televised nationwide CBS and the rest of the networks would have never shown it again. That broadcast brought alot of people into nascar and with consumers you get sponsors.
I think the emotions shown by drivers bring it home to alot of Saturday nite local racers.
Leave em alone!!! It is after all “entertainment” Let us be entertained
Ihope someone besides me saw the Fox
network show Wednesday night {16th}. The
language by Sauter because his air conditoner wasn’t working and Jeff Gordon’s remarks made while trying to get a lap back at the end of the race
should have burned the headset of the crewchiefs. This was filmed at Atlanta’s recent race { not Jeffy you say?}
I saw that on Fox. Was great. You actually got to see their emotions. Gave you a real feel for what they go through.
At least JPm is a F1 world champion unlike Harvick who will never win a Nascar championship nevermind a F1
championship.If people think Stock
car racing is harder than open wheel
then they dont know much about racing
After reading some of the post on here about the Juan-Harvick thing , I’m really glad that none of us fans get to make the rules or decide the fines and punishments, or ALL of our favorite drivers would be broke and at home watching the races instead of racing in them. LOL
chris when was the last time you drove a F-1 or even a stock car? There sure had been a lot of drivers from other type of racing that couldn’t make it in stock cars and visa a versa. I think it’s funny so many are experts by watching it on tv.
That’s part of the emotions that goes with the sport, my gosh I’m surprised there haven’t been more than this little schuffle. NASCAR needs to back off and let the boys be boys!!!! The sport would grow bigger if more of this was allowed(not to say get out of hand). My gosh that was more exciting than a crash. LET THEM ALONE!!!
Jill that is why Nascar is on TV everyweek. Before 1979 it was on VERY VERY few times. Just bits and pieces of it would be shown. Remember ABC wide world of sports? Every saturday they show skiing, races, and something else all in 1.5 hours or so. Then in 1979 CBS showed a full race and two drivers got in to it, then every week nascar been on. My gosh.
FINALLY nascar wised up and not fined harvick and montoya. Nascar needs to remember the drivers are human.
Get a grip! Without emotions it wouldn’t be racing!!!!
Truex got into Montoya which got him loose and into Harvick. There was nothing JPM could do in that situation. Harvick’s beef should have been with the 1.
Ava’s Dada- its been said on here before JPM has a history of hitting others, it was only natural to blame him. Right or Wrong when you have a reputation such as JPM it will follow you.
Then again when JPM drop down in a nother lane at the last minute the other driver din’t have a time to react. But thats racing.