Does Toyota Ruin NASCAR For You?
Monday March 1, 2004
"I don't understand your leaving NASCAR as a fan because they'll be running non-American cars. (I went to my first NASCAR race at Charlotte in 1966, so I'm a long-time fan myself.) Like Formula-1 and other series-- heck, like other sports-- expanding the pool of competitors will make for better racing." TELLIOTT4055 is in favor of Toyota's entering NASCAR. What do you think? There's a good discussion going on in the forum. Join in!
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Toyota is foreign ? The big three have plants in mexico & canada !!!LOL
it sounds like solid information that darl warthrip, whoever,will run JAP cars running in nascar. I hope they are forced to have the flag of the rizzing sun over every pit crew running Jap cars. I HATE DARL WALTHRIP’S JAP ADDS, AND I’D LOVE TO SMASH HIM RIGHT IN HIS FAKE CHOPS. SIGNED FORMER SGT T. E. JONES U. S. M. C. I HAVEN’NT FORGOTTIN………..
I wish I had a billion dollars to give NASCAR to keep all the race cars American,screw any and all Japcrap cars,drivers and fans. I’m done after this year, nomore races on tv or at the track!!!!!
The comments listed here are indicative of the ignorance that permeates society. Or, for the lay person, comments 1,3, and 4 are made by ignorant people who no next to nothing about the U.S. economy. Toyota does more to keep the U.S. on top lately than GM, Ford, and Daimler-Chrysler ever COULD. They keep taking jobs away from this country, and Toyota keeps building plants. I respect your service, SGT JONES, but times have changed, and the only things that separate enemies from allies is time. Look at Iraq, who we funded to defeat Iran 20 years ago. Now we hate them. How ironic.
The Camry is an American car, and since Toyota employs over 386,000 Americans, sound like they should be in NASCAR.
Jon Lancaster
“Japcrap cars”?
You have a lot to learn, Joey!
“Toyota employs over 386,000 Americans”
Bingo!
GM manufactures the Chevy Aveo, Epica and Optra in South Korea.
Lol. America’s car giant, like Japan, is generating economy in a foreign nation. So, what’s with all the hating by some of you.
Being an avid racing fan, particularly Stock Cars, since I was a kid in the early sixties I get the differences between Stock, Indy an F1.
They have taken the “Stock” out of Stock car racing. Indy is no longer a “super Bowl” level event. Both have gone to Barbie Doll Drivers and spec racers.
Australia still has great “Real” stock car racing!
Indy and F1 were the formats for global competition technology and talent
NASCAR found a huge following in “Loyal” Ford vs Chevy vs other American brand racing.
You would buy the products associated with the brand you were most loyal to.
We’ll that works both ways.
I’m planning on avoiding products that show-up on Toyota Hoods (UPS. NAPA are you listening?)
Not just because of the racing but try to sell an American car in Japan, for that last 40 years, You couldn’t and it had nothing to do with quality or fuel economy, but trade restictions.
- Try to sell an American car in Japan
To all the ethnic slurs Bah! this is a sport like any other sport and if we worry about having foreign participants just try to imagine where we would be if they pulled out their foreign investments out of the US. If they meet NASCAR’s guidlines then let them boogey with the best.
I work hard for my American money and Toyota has consistantly given me more of it back (far mor than GM or Ford or German owned Chrysler) when it’s come time to sell it. The MonteCarlo is made in Canada, the Fusion in Mexico, and the Camry in the US out of more American parts than the Mustang. If WW2 veterans from Pearl Harbor could hug the Japanese veterans and alls’ well-WELCOME Toyota to the Daytona 500!
Jap CRAP?
I’ve never owned an AMERICAN car that lasted well over 120,000 miles. Contrast that to the Jap CRAP vehicle I owned in the mid 90s that I SOLD when it hit 240,000 without one single trip to the shop for any major work!
Maybe the Jap CRAP’s legendary fuel economy and reliability will translate to NASCAR racing as well but that remains to be seen.
In the end, the more sponsorship dollars, the better for NASCAR in general which used to be the world of BEER and CIGARETTES(hardly a “family” oriented theme).
So the Democrats rid us of the WINSTON Cup. Big frickin’ deal. It only served to EXPAND NASCAR’s influence as the sponsorship became more and more diversified and “family” friendly.
And isn’t that BETTER for the sport than having to put up with the likes of an unfunny DUMBASS like WILL FERRELL drawing attention to it?
Thought so.
I personally do not care if the Toyota’s are made in my basement….it is still a Toyota. And I would love to see the reaction of baseball fans if the champion Japanese team were permitted to compete in the WORLD series….don’t think that would go over too well. And why, because the World Series is AMERICAN. For me it has nothing to do with where the vehicles are made, or how many Americans they employ, or how reliable they are (I gave my Chevy Beretta away with over 500,000 miles by the way). It comes down to this…….Toyota is not an American company.
I will be attending my last race ever this weekend in Bristol. And in my humble opinion, this is just the last nail in the coffin. I could stomach all the other garbage the last 15 years, (ie. Lucky Dog, and the Chase) but it is here I throw in the towel.
Hope someone enjoy’s my seats!
Toyotais the worst mistake nascar could make LETS KEEP IT AMERICAN
Last year for NASCAR as we know it. I just wish folks would understand that money spent on Toyota’s manufactured in the U.S. still goes back to the motherland of Japan. They beat us and never fired a shot. Good bye NASCAR !
Japan subsidies all their car companies so they can undercut our prices. Pay employees less that American car companies do. Tariffs our cars so we can’t sell them in Japan. Won’t let us build cars in Japan so we compete fairly. Have created over 200,000 job, buy have taken away over 3,000,000.00 Go for it, when you lose your job to unfair trade laws you can eat your Datsun
Disgusting. Foreign brands are foreign brands. Nascar is an American tradition. This is the first I’ve heard of this abomination, and unfortunately, it does ruin Nascar for me. Reliable (SHOW me the 240K mile toyota)? Bah! Built in America (in foreign-owned plants)? Bah!
Show me one 1983 toyota on the road and I’ll show you 217 1983 GM cars. Call me a redneck from the little town of Chicago, but I hate foreign crap cars. Bye bye former-glory, former-winged warrior-battleground, former-American Nascar.
Toyota has dominated every racing event ever entered. The manufacturer is already one of the “Big Three”. People do not realize that TOYOTA IS an American manufacturer. I can’t wait to see the tides turn. It will make it more competitive than ever before. TRD to most people’s belief does not stand for “TURD”. It really is “TOYOTA RACING DEVELOPMENT”!!!
It’s about time.
All you people that are not awake to the REAL WORLD but live in the Blue Collar Comedy tour, look where your Ford’s, Chevy’s, Dodge’s and Pontiac’s are built. If you think they are built here in your back yard or even in the U.S.A. wake up and smell the roses or in your case the “moonshine”… This is in no way a shot at the hard working “logical level thinking” American. This is to you who think that it is not good for the sport…
PS: Ask any hard working American Auto Technician who works at a domestic dealership or Mfg. plant what they drive. Chances are 60% plus drive a TOYOTA because they know it will start and they will get to work safely…
well lets see how they smash up when they get put in the wall.Dont need no jap in an american sport
My gosh!!! What is wrong with all of you ’sick, ignorant, and miserable’ bigots? Who do you think you are to say that it is evil, unAmerican, and terrible for Toyota to engage in the NASCAR arena. This is a free country!! In fact, you should really be careful–this subject has pretty much exposed that you are really visiting earth and is not a human being. The sad part is, it’s so many of you out there. You are the very ones that promote, perpetuate, and embrace many of the problems we have in today’s society. This being said, your first option is to stop supporting NASCAR. Next, you should refrain from expressing your ignorant, pathetic views about one of “our” country’s greatest blessings. I take offense to you criticizing what humans do and I take no pride in responding to idiots. But I am compelled to try to offer some help in this situation. No matter how long you’ve been visting here on earth, I think that you’ve pretty much worn out your welcome. You really need to go away–to the planet from which you came. All of us responsible human Americans won’t miss you at all because we don’t need your kind here on earth. Furthermore, you don’t even deserve to be placed in the earth–just leave it!!! But before you depart, I beg that you don’t leave any of your crap behind–nothing at all. Oh–you had better check out the vehicle information plate on your space ship; it may have been made by Totota.
As an educated adult, I understand both arguments. Yes, I know, it’s been 60+ years. For me, one simple phrase would cause me to welcome Toyota in NASCAR. Germany did it. BMW, Volkswagon, AUDI, and Porsche all gave billions to survivors of their factories, as well as an apology. Small price to pay for 6 million lives, but far better than Japan did. In fact, their attitude is pretty much “we don’t owe the world anything”! Yes, I know about the economics, etc, but it’s simply principle. My reply is not littered with hate. I hate no one. I just want accountability. We, as a nation are always apologizing for something. Other nations are always making sure that we take responsibility for our actions. It’s funny what world forgets in 60 years, which was really not that long ago.
Well, there is no Big three anymore.
The Dodges running in Nascar are supported by Dodge of Damlier Chrysler which is a German co.
The other BIG TWO are struggling.
Toyota employees over 142,000 people in the US.
I think that GM has way too many models and some that compete with each other across the lines.
I would like to see GM and FORD start copying the popular Japanese and Korean model.
Would love to have a G-35 model with a Chevrolet Z-28 motor or Fors Mustang GT/Cobra motor.
Yes, please leave NASCAR you ignorant rednecks. This sport will be better without you and your small minds.
I am an educated redneck and hope Toyota brings a better crowd of people into the NASCAR arena.
The bigots on this site are the ones using the racist term “redneck”. If that racist and ethnically bigoted term can be used then so can every other one. And homeboys there are one for every tribe. What’s fair is fair.
If you moron JAP Lovers knew that we traded over 5 million jobs for the toyota jobs that pay less that Americans making American cars and trucks. Inports made in American create on the average of 3 jobs per car. Fords Chevy’s and Chrylers create on the average of 7 to 9 in the USA. Do the math and maybe start looking for a job in ASIA
I think that NASCAR should be only American. American cars,…American Racers, American sponsers. This is getting out of hand. This is the last american sport that have americans in it. I don’t think toyota should be in NASCAR. It is going to open up more money for NASCAR, but in the long run it’s going to hurt it. I go to the races. If you start letting other countries race with us. Security is going to have to be beefed up. It’s like this…. goto a RAP concert, then go to a NASCAR Race. What’s the differance? No. It’s not about racisim. Its about the crowd. I won’t go to the races if there is that type of crowd. Thats why you really don’t have many Black drivers. I’m sorry if I offended anyone. But these are the Facts. You have more bad eggs in Foreign Races. Thats how it is. And no, I don’t live in the country. I live in Boston, MA. I am not a hillbilly. I just speak the Truth.
Are you guys afraid TOYOTA? I think so. You guys better hope they don’t put a 2jz-gte engine in the Camry.Anyways Corvette Z06 is my favorite american car.
Oh yeah I forgot to say this, I wish Toyota never joined either because its making NASCAR look good. And NASCAR is BORING! they’re just wasting gas.
You know I was well set aginst toyota in nascar when I first heard of them entering the fold of nascar,the blinde patriot in me says no keep toyota out of nascar, but, when one takes the flag out of there eyes they may see that it may-well be a needed move to keep nascar moving forward.The Isolationist is soon extinct.(Though nascar will forever be The Winston cup in my heart, I’ve sort-of came to terms with, the, nextel… chase…. thingy…)AH. Back to the point. If the europians sade no to our car builders then ford, gm, chrystlerand amc would not have the world recognation they so covet with the successes corvettes, gt-40’s, vipers, saleens had at places such as le mans,spa etc…hell europians are racing these cars them-selfs. Now if you can get the flag out of your eyes for a minute and look at the car maker your so enthralled with you may see that there cars are hecho en mexico for much less then it can be made here in the u.s. but they sell it to you for the cost of a small home. they dont care for you, just your doller, hell they just may welcome toyota to nascar becuse the blinde loyal people like you will mortage the kids inheritance and make the c.e.o’s billions buying there cars just to spite toyota. I say let them in, hell lets add another road coarse or two, and one for the chase, if there go’ing to change, like with the chase for the cup, the car of tomorrow (which i think is leaning tworde the gt side)let other car makers in’ other tire makers too. I think 07 may be interesting…
You guys are a bunch of rednecks that are pissed because your dear Chevy, Ford and Dodge cars will never compare with any of the forgein market. Domestic cars will never compare!
Seriously, if you guys get this upset about a foreign car in your sport you have problems. Then again you are the people that LOVE to watch a car go in circles about 500 times, get a life you ignorant hicks!
Comment 25.. Gary, your attempt to make any sense at all was horrible! One thing does make sense, you’re a fan of NASCAR. You make your people proud.
Yes Toyota does Ruin nascar For me i will still watch but what does nascar stand for
NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR STOCK CAR AUTO RACING
NATIONAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!that mean American the is no place in nascar for POS Toyota’s
if nascar helps Toyota just like it helped dodge it will not make it
GO Chevy, Dodge, and Ford
It’s about time a competent auto manufacturer like Toyota entered NASCAR. If in case you don’t understand by now, the Camry is an American built car which is more than can be said for the Canadian built Monte Carlo or the Mexican built Fusion. Toyota hasn’t caused the loss of any American jobs either. Even if the company had never existed the so-called Big Three of Detroit still would have outsourced their factories to other nations in order to cut down the overall cost of their vehicles. This is due in large part to the high cost of labor within the United States and international competition not only from Japan but Europe as well. In terms of the blue-collared workforce in America, Toyota is essentially employing United States citizens while the Big Three are laying them off and cutting benefits.
The reason why Toyota has become such a well respected and profitable company over the past few decades is simply because they produce better vehicles for a better price. That equates simply to better engineering and better quality products. If you need an example of just how durable their vehicles are you can take a look at my family’s 1979 Toyota Truck. It was actually the fourth four-wheel drive vehicle ever produced by Toyota (we have the plaque to prove it) and has nearly 350,000 miles on the original engine and transmission. Just to prove how well built these machines are take a look at the Top Gear video in which the producers blatantly attempt to destroy the truck ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQltQ6Qzdb4 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZtntPoaVQ ). I also own a 1994 Toyota Supra TT with over 120,000 miles on it and I still have yet to be beaten by a new GTO, Mustang, or Charger! As a matter of fact, when the Mark IV Supras began being shipped to the United States in 1993 its performance actually exceeded the C4 Corvette’s! Several months after its release to the US market high tariffs were placed on it to a degree that it became far more expensive to buy than Chevy’s poorly engineered flagship vehicle. It is because of the Big Three’s reliance on the government to impose tariffs and sanctions on their competitors that they have become so weakened. They also chose to embrace the massive SUV fad of the 1990s instead of concentrating on engineering advancements. That’s why GM has taken so long to produce a vehicle to compete with Toyota’s Prius ( http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=article&storyid=977 ).
Understand that Toyota is no longer a Japanese company they have become a global company much like many of the US auto-manufacturers are attempting to achieve. Should Toyota be accepted into NASCAR the true benefit would be the knowledge and engineering TRD (Toyota Racing Development) can bring to the sport and perhaps to the consumer should they ever attempt to market Toyota crate motors in the United States. If they are successful in their attempt to enter NASCAR my friends and I will gladly replace those seats left open by disgruntled rednecks (and I’ll beat them home in my Toyota Supra just to put the icing on the cake).
do any of you retards know that the camry will be the only nascar built in the us. since when is it a crime to produce a quality product?
Tell the over 9 million people that have lost their jobs to unfair trade deals that Toyota’s are American made. Toyota’s create on an average of 3 jobs in American, Fords, Chevy’s and others create on average of 7 to 9. Even with imported parts on them. Wonder why most Americans make less than what they made over 10 years ago. Give your country to Asia one sale at a time. Wise up before you lose your job.
Japanese people trust and support their automakers and others. Americans just want to look good in their Honda Ridgeline (It’s all about me)
My 1998 Ford Nascar truck has over 175,000 miles on it with replacing the front brakes twice only. And 3 sets of tires. So don’t tell me how great their cars are. Made from our scrap.
toyota should NEVER EVER EVER!!! EVER! BE ALLOWED IN NASCAR! HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT IT IS NOT AMERICAN U NOOBS?
i AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAVE YOU NOTICED THE NAME OF THE SPORT??? nATION ASSOTION FOR STOCK CAR AUTO RACING
OMG, “NATIONAL” MEANS BY DICTONARY “AMERICAN”!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG TOYOTA SUCK AND I HATE THEM, AND THEY ARE JUST NOT GOOD. tHEY ARE EVIL!!!
Toyota in NASCAR… its just aint right! It is like putting a turd in a bowl of M&M’s, it just dont fit and stinks the whole thing up. If Japan has a racing league I would expect them to not allow US made cars in either.
I have no problem with Toyota being part of our country, but we are not given the same option in JAPAN. Tarrifs so high we can sell out cars there. Wise up Americans and stop selling your jobs and our country down the river. Time to support out companies and our workers. Georgetown Kentucky Toyota plant pays $46,000 for 4 ten hour days, Ford in Louisville pays $70,000 for the same hours. Google the pay rate and you’ll see Why do Toyota’s cost more than our cars? Lets level the playing field? As far as you folks always defending the inports. have you ever lost your job to unfair trade. Japan’s goverment protects the jobs in Japan.
I started watching nascar in the mid seventies and have totally lost interest in the last few years!!!
To start out, the toyota mouthpiece(DW) and his even more goofy pathetic brother are the kind of dorks that nascar wants these days(brain dead suckups). It kinda shows just what corporate america thinks is a good image for nascar. I find the series boring and very wimpy compared to the days of David Pearson,King Richard,Cale Yarborou and our last true racer Dale Earnhardt. If they were running second and had any chance to pass the leader, even if it meant a crash, they would do it because to them, second place is the first loser. They would be more concerned about winning races rather than loosing points if something bad might happen. Either Bubble wrap the damn cars or get back to racing not this current crap nascar is shoving down peoples throats. As far as toyota, 10 years ago we would have a case to keep them out, but as of today they support the USA more then the big 3 do anymore and that is the saddest part of all!!!
Hmmm, lets see here, Toyota only needs 3 people to build a car in America, but Ford needs 7 to 9? That says a lot to me. As a former Chevy lover, last year I purchased two Toyota’s. A Prius and a Camry. Both vehicles have surpassed my expectations, and the Camry is more “American” than the comprable Ford. I also have a 2006 Chevrolet Silverado for my work truck, which has been in the shop three times with warranty repairs this year. I personallay don’t give a damn if Hyundai wants to field a car in NASCAR. Maybe then those 7 to 9 Ford and Chevy (I’m not counting Chrystler, as it is now a German Company) employees it takes to build a car will get off their dead ass and build a car that will compete with my Camry – can you say resale Detroit?
Oh and by the way, my uncle was killed by the Japanese in Pearl Harbor – the vast majority of those Japanese that planned the attacks and did the fighting are all dead – If you have been to Japan lately, you will find that they have embraced all things American, from Harley Davidson’s to McDonalds. They don’t buy Ford’s and Chevy’s because they are crap – the same reason that I won’t buy them any more.
Maybe Kevin should Google that Jap trash and he might just figure out that Japan’s government subsidizes the Jap car companies and you might just be lucky and not have the fuel, Brake and other problems that plague Toyotas. NOT TO MENTION THE 5,000,00 that was recalled for bad engines including your Toyota penis. Toyota has more recalls that all the others combined. Have you thought of moving to Asia and see what tariffs Japan imposes on our sales there. They have a party every year above the Arizona to celebrate what they did to us. And i not talking about the ones that strafe our men in the water. Have you thought of moving to Japan you spend you money there and could care less about American Jobs
Takes less to build them because Toyota will not let many American companies build parts for their trash. American Unions demand that most of the parts for American cars be made in America. That’s where additional jobs come from.
Try reading more and watching the History channel more. American cars and trucks are not just CARS AND TRUCKS BUT OUR AMERICAN HISTORY AND HERITAGE.
Maybe Kevin should Google that Jap trash and he might just figure out that Japan’s government subsidizes the Jap car companies and you might just be lucky and not have the fuel, Brake and other problems that plague Toyotas. NOT TO MENTION THE 5,000,00 that was recalled for bad engines including your Toyota penis. Toyota has more recalls that all the others combined. Have you thought of moving to Asia and see what tariffs Japan imposes on our sales there. They have a party every year above the Arizona to celebrate what they did to us. And i not talking about the ones that strafe our men in the water. Have you thought of moving to Japan you spend you money there and could care less about American Jobs
Takes less to build them because Toyota will not let many American companies build parts for their trash. American Unions demand that most of the parts for American cars be made in America. That’s where additional jobs come from.
Try reading more and watching the History channel more. American cars and trucks are not just CARS AND TRUCKS BUT OUR AMERICAN HISTORY AND HERITAGE.
This dicussion has become more about politics than the sport of racing.(1) Almost 70% of Toyota’s driven in the USA (the country I love) are built here.(2) The man power to vehicles built ratio has to do with the process and procedures they use in building vehicles (which is very stealth). (3) Recalls (2 other name plates had a larger amount) are a part of a manufacturers existance, some bigger than others. Know one expects them, it is how they are handled that shows the difference. Ask any Toyota plant employee if they want the union (they will say NO!!). If the pay ratio difference is what some have claimed (which it is NOT trust me) they would have brought in the union by now. That is what has happened to the belated BIG 3. They have been choked to death for years over that, along with other things and now everyone is seeing the results. They all will rebound and be better companies for it. As the new name plate on top with the others going through some rough roades of course they are the target, as is all that sit at the top of the ladder. Toyota USA has always had a high quality standard. Back when others were said not to have the same quality standards. Well many years later and look at the vehicle market today, all the others have stepped up to the plate and answered the challenge for the most part. But would that have happened if not demanded by the AMERICAN public by requesting there vehicles be built with that in mind? WE THE USA make that level of quality, don’t forget that!!! Toyota pushed the vehicle standards as I believe they will push the standards for NASCAR (which will make it a better sport for all, we demand it). Someone can always make there point on either side of this discission, depending on what they think, know, or have heard. Some will always think what they want no matter the facts. That is what is great about OUR country, you can have your oppinion, just don’t belittle others for there’s. NASCAR “07″
JEALOUS PEOPLE THESE DAYS…
The same left wing liberals that buy Toyota’s also think Dell is the best computer too. They are told that every day in commercials at 6:00 pm on every channel. Just Google them and you’ll see the problems that plague the imports.
Do you really think that all those plants would be here if we didn’t pay them to come and take our jobs. 800 Million in Kentucky alone. When has our Government paid GM or Ford that kind of money to build a plant? The only reason Toyota’s are built here are so they can say they are American made. Because there was some that wouldn’t buy an import.
When we take our country back those that are pro foreign might have to move.
toyota just like those goddamn mexicans want to take over our once white country,we have to buy american if we dont who will?
Maybe you ignorant rednecks should drive Lexus then see why your American cars are losing the battle!
I worked at a scrap yard in Louisville for some time and i can tell that your Lexus is made from the same scrap that Toyota’s are Our Trash Get Real Driveajapcrap
to all your dome ass othere and i meing dome ass this is all about big big bisnuss look at dogde there owened by demler and dont forget naft that clinten puy into efect and jeff gorden owner is one of the biggest honda dealers in the usa and all of the big three that biuld cars out side off the us so end out come is dallor and cents
Charles, if you’re going to use the word “dumbass”, you might want to type up a proper letter and at least use capitals when needed.
Anyway, yes Toyota has ruined NASCAR for me. I too started watching NASCAR in the late 60’s. I grew up believing in NASCAR and their American cars, and in American born and raised car manufacturers. I’m old school and that will never change, never. It all has to do with what’s in your heart. Toyota’s not in my heart, and just because Dodge is now owned by a German company hasn’t changed the fact that it was born and raised in America. If a German company bought out my contract and I had to move to Germany that doesn’t mean I’m now German. I will always be an American.
NASCAR’s been pushing me farther and farther away anyway. They’ve never asked what the fans would like, they tell the fans what they are supposed to like.
NASCAR won’t miss me because they don’t even know I exist. It’s not without trying though. I’ve sent polite letters with polite questions and positive comments but never got an answer. Hey, if you think anyone at NASCAR cares, have them get in touch with me. I’m cetainly not going to waste my time waiting for a reply.
Enjoy your New NASCAR and have a great new year.
I have been to Indy since it went almost all Asia cars and attendance is down by 40 % since then. Some have no class and the unfair trade laws do not affect their jobs so they simply don’t care. American car companies are trying to survive and what would the harm in supporting them instead of someone in Tokyo. Who really only cares about what they can sell us. To compete the big 2 are going to have to make cars in Mexico and China. If these rotten and selfish it’s all about me Americans would only try and support American companies it would save plenty of jobs.
After 911 only Hyundai and Volkswagen contributed to the 911 funds.
NOT THE FIRST DOLLAR FROM HONDA, TOYOTA, NISSIAN OR SUBURU.
They don’t want to sell their cars here. Their whole economy depends on us.
if you like those jap things so good, go live with em an american
How many gaijen, I mean Americans, are on the Toyota Board of Directors??
Marc QOUTE: “How many gaijen, I mean Americans, are on the Toyota Board of Directors?? ”
hahahahahahhahahah this is funny
Ok, let’s see. The majority of american parts are made overseas, the majority of toyota’s are made HERE. Does it really flipp’n matter? If you dislike NASCAR because of this change you were never a fan to begin with.
If Aaron could read he would see that American cars have to tell origin of the parts used to build them on the window sticker and most are less than 10% of Imported parts. Over 70% on most of those so called American Toyota’s built here. Get a clue or at least read some.
You can talk about where cars are built and where the parts are built, but who cares? Toyota is a foreign company…period. Who’s next, Renault–maybe Honda, Suzuki. I think it should be left alone–Ford, Chevy, Dodge is plenty for me. I’m done with Nascar–this is the icing on the cake. Started with Nascar trying to find the hot young minority or female–you know–the reality shows. Shove them in the car even if they suck. Bill France can suck it. I’ll stick to the local bullring.
Pull a Toyota Camry up next to a Dodge Charger–hehe see ya later Tojo. It’s all about the dollars–Nascar doesn’t care as long as they are making profit. In 20 years I forsee the starting line up in Daytona consisting of Honda, Toyota, Suzuki but it will still be called the Great American Race. Later nascar.
Why they don’t make a real american racing with the muscle cars like Ford Mustang, the next Challenger and Camaro. That should a hell of series…
By the way I deeply respect Toyota Co. they build such of good cars.
But imagine the interest of a real American sports car with 2 doors ( Challenger… )instead of ( sedan) car races.
I heard through the grapevines that the FUSION, is a Mazda whit a Ford Jacket…
nascar fans are stereotypes and ignorant. F1 is the real deal. Even if there’s toyota in nascar, I still wouldn’t watch it.
nASScar is professional wrestling on wheels. For all of you WWE fans out there, that is not a compliment.
Hard to believe there are so many stupid people on this planet. Bigots and racists or just ignorant bullies who are afraid of everything that is not part of their trailer park existence.
Read the Autopact re Canada manufacturing, btw, most components of the Canadian built are made in USA or Mexico, just assembled in Canuckland.
Study up and understand what “public companies” mean. Who really owns them regardless of where the CEO lives.
Search and find out how much money EVERY State that has an auto factory has “invested” in acquiring or retaining the factory/assembly plant. You would be shocked at the amounts of money that is tossed at the auto companies, subsidies they are.
Remember back to the 70’s when the quality of product from the “big 4″ was so poor it was amazing they sold any at all. Oh that’s right, imports were subject to very heavy tarrifs and could not compete with the junk produced here.
Realize NASCAR lost relevance a number of years before Dale died. It is merely mass marketing to the blue collar set to sell all maner of products from womans douche to weight loss products with a “redneck automotive” backdrop.
I will never attend another NASCAR event and not because of the Toyota, because of the puking, swearing, ugly a-hole that insists in educating the kids about filthy language and even worse public drunken behavior and me have to pay 100 bucks a pop for the enjoyment.
I have never owned and foreign car and never will, but it has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, it’s just me. It has been an entertaing few minutes reading the bigotry masquerading as Mom and Apple Pie here. Sad to think they represent many others out there.
Hard to believe there are so many stupid people on this planet. Bigots and racists or just ignorant bullies who are afraid of everything that is not part of their trailer park existence.
Read the Autopact re Canada manufacturing, btw, most components of the Canadian built are made in USA or Mexico, just assembled in Canuckland.
Study up and understand what “public companies” mean. Who really owns them regardless of where the CEO lives.
Search and find out how much money EVERY State that has an auto factory has “invested” in acquiring or retaining the factory/assembly plant. You would be shocked at the amounts of money that is tossed at the auto companies, subsidies they are.
Remember back to the 70’s when the quality of product from the “big 4″ was so poor it was amazing they sold any at all. Oh that’s right, imports were subject to very heavy tarrifs and could not compete with the junk produced here.
Realize NASCAR lost relevance a number of years before Dale died. It is merely mass marketing to the blue collar set to sell all maner of products from womans douche to weight loss products with a “redneck automotive” backdrop.
I will never attend another NASCAR event and not because of the Toyota, because of the puking, swearing, ugly a-hole that insists in educating the kids about filthy language and even worse public drunken behavior and me have to pay 100 bucks a pop for the enjoyment.
I have never owned and foreign car and never will, but it has nothing to do with Pearl Harbor, it’s just me. It has been an entertaing few minutes reading the bigotry masquerading as Mom and Apple Pie here. Sad to think they represent many others out there.
Sorry Bobby at when your next ride in Ferrari or Mercedese… Nascar is close to ordinary peoples and community instead of F1 (JETSET ). Don’t even think of visiting or talking to a F1 driver. By the way the F1 races are borrrrrrring to see like the rain. Shumacher start first guess who will finish first whit no challenge.
well, this is all very interesting. the cars on the track no longer have any connection to the cars we buy anyway. seriously, folks, get a clue. i love to watch nascar. but it means nothing to me when it’s time to but a car. if you would go buy an impala because it wins at the track, u need help.
By the way, i haven’t heard any one call
for dodge to be taken out of the cup on account of their foreign ownership.
Toyoda (original name) is a Japanese company. If you buy one of their products the profits don’t stay in the USA. A lot of you deride our companies deversifying by making our products in other countries for profit. But you laud the Japanese for doing the same thing here. To the Japanese WE are a 3rd world county good only for cheap labor & raw materials. Go ahead buy your Camry buy if Jap cars are so good Where are all the old ones? They started in 1937. GM still makes parts for my 43yr old truck.
toyota are proving they have the potential as well… especially with a camry. ha!
Billy has a good point! Dodge is owned by Daimler, and it’s now a better product and getting more credibility. It’s now over to built crap like NEON,Acclaim… Anyway, Ford and Mazda are partnership, GM with Toyota ( Vibe & Matrix ) The new Dodge Caliber is powered by Hyundai engine…
What’s with all the talk of unfair trade practices in Japan? Currently, Japan does not levy tariffs on passenger cars, trucks or parts, while its largest export market, the United States, imposes a 25% tariff on light trucks. If you want to complain about protectionism, whine to the EU or China, not Japan.
Those wondering why they don’t see more Japanese cars on the road should note that the US didn’t begin importing them in substantial quantities until the 70’s and 80’s. And even then, their sales numbers were a only fraction of those produced by American companies. It’s a question of quantity, not quality.
Instead of objecting to foreign competition, you should welcome it. I don’t watch NASCAR, but I love watching Vipers and Vettes blow the doors off Ferrari, Porsche, Lambo, Austin Martin, etc in the American LeMans and GT1 racing series.
eric67: I agree with you on the F1 comment – there is never any passing, rain or shine, it’s all about the pit stops.
Toyota is a public company trading on an American exchange (NYSE). When they sell more Camrys, I see more dividends. I’m sure these righteous folks talking about how Toyota abuses the American workforce were up in arms about Nike sweatshops and the scores of other US companies utilizing child labor in Asia.
The reason why the Japanese build their factories here was to circumvent US trade barriers. And their capital investment in America is a good thing for us. How many US auto manufacturers have invested in plants in Japan? It’s not about politics or national pride – it’s about supply and demand. They, and much of the rest of the world, have to deal with less land and higher gas prices. This all leads to smaller, more fuel efficient autos. Unfortunately, a market segment we don’t do particularly well.
Just shut up nothing you say or do will stop them so just stop crying you red necks
I agree with Gearhead that American Le Mans kicks ass. a road course with real metal cars much closer to stock than NASCAR. And no Asian cars?!, (despite the fake Lexus racing commercials) Its not about protectionisim. it’s about trade, OUR U.S. companies competing against Gov’t subsidised companies from elsewhere taking our dollars home. devaluing our economy. Buy American while you still can.
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You folks need to know that the Japanese don’t let foreigners own land in Japan or put any plants there. It’s in their constitution. So much for fair trade laws. Please get wise before it’s too late. And we loose the rest of our good paying jobs.
scared of a little competition like the mexicans stealing your jobs?
grow some balls and shut the hell up
Just because Toyota is becoming #1 next year doesn’t mean you people have to be so ignorant about it.
the TOYOTA CAMRY IS BUILT IN THE UNITED STATES UNLIKE THE FUSION AND MONTE CARLO.
There is nothing in the Japanese constitution about foreigners owning land see for yourself: http://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/etc/c01.html. The thing was heavily influenced if not written by US lawyers in 1947. They do have some archaic rules regarding FDI, but that only hurts them IMO.
This same fear mongering was popular in the 1980s. Japanese companies were going to destroy American jobs and take over the world! Well, look at what has happened since then: The US economy has grown in leaps and bounds while maintaining the same low unemployment rate; Japan has suffered economic stagnation for the past 10 years and the road ahead is bumpy.
They make practical cars. We make powerful, fast cars. Who do you think should win on race day?
Americans screaming about protected markets is a bit funny! Lots of folks here spouting the union line….20 years defending this great nation, so as a Veteran I feel free to speak my mind, the American way used to include fair competition, in the market as well as at the track or on the playing field! If GM and Ford keep up their current trends in quality and fire about half of their designers they will be competitve again, but when we brag about catching the Europeans in quality it is a sad day….
Why no negative sentiment about Dodge? They are owned lock-stock-barrel by Daimler-Benz…..also a War II enemy…..
My Toyota Sequoia is built here in the U.S unlike my brothers Suburban (Mexico), and it has more U.S. parts in it…..my 21 year old ‘yota truck has just passed 350,000 miles, 2 clutches and the occasional belt or hose is all its ever needed, original a/c still freeze your tail off, more 4×4 off-road abuse than any vehicle I’ve ever owned….glad to own them both….I work hard for my family, I buy the best quality I can afford whether it be groceries or cars….Toyota doesn’t ruin NASCAR, it may save it……..
When we take our country back from left wingers like you guys, Someone will have to move
We have already lost this battle. We were told a long time ago that they would defeat
Us without firing a bullet. Japanese people support their car companies. Some under pretenses say they want to spend their money on what is a better product. They just simply don’t care about American companies or their employees. With most of these Patriotic Americans defending open trade and praising how much better these Toyota’s are than our cars it makes you wonder how all those commercials that they see hasn’t brainwashed them.
When our Heritage and History are gone they might be happy. Very sad. Watch the History channel instead of the View and you just might increase your knowledge of history and see the Japanese lobbyist and see how they influence our congress and senate.
And just maybe you might want to purchase a American product
PLEASE DO NOT USE THAT ANGLE ‘BUT TOYOTA EMPLOYS 300,000 AMERICANS’ I ASK YOU, WHERE DO ALL THOSE PROFITS GO? RIGHT, BACK TO TOKYO!!! TOYOTA PLAN IS TO ASSEMBLE THEIR PRODUCT HERE TO WARM UP THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO BUYING TOYOTAS. WOULDN’T IT BE CHEAPER FOR THEM TO MAKE THEIR CARS IN JAPAN? ABSOLUTELY!!! WHY IN THE WORLD DO THEY WANT TO PAY THOSE HIGH AMERICAN WAGES? THEY CAN KEEP THEIR “DRIFTING” LOL. NASCAR IS AN AMERICAN SPORT LOVED BY AMERICANS WHO DO NOT WANT TO SEE A TOYOTA, HONDA OR ANY OTHER FOREIGN MAKE IN “OUR” VICTORY LANES! MY SLOGAN IS THIS, “KEEP JAPCAR OUT OF NASCAR.”
Economic globalization at its best. American manufacturers have made deals with these japanese companys in the past. Rebadging cars and selling them as a new model. In Japan, Chevy SUVs are sold by toyota dealerships. European manufacturers like VW, BMW and Benz sell cars there and in Asia. And guess what? Americans do as well! GM’s got international branches like Holden in Austrailia and Vauxhall in Europe. Its a diverse world and its getting smaller by the year thanks to capitalist tendencies Americans have fine tuned since our inception as a country. Toyota is here to stay. Gotta come to terms with that, or you can just keep on enforcing “southern nascar” stereotypes as conservative xenophobes who resist change and progress.
The term “American” is loose these days, and I’m proud our country is a melting pot of all sorts of ethnicities, very unique that it really is a country built on the backs of immigrants!
btw, last time I checked, our American national past time: baseball is sprinkled with people from central america and occasionally…gasp…japan!
Immigrants in the past were here to melt and become Americans. Immigrants now don’t even try and speak our language and are a burden on our health care and education systems. Wonder why those languages are on out TV’s and other items. I guarantee that so far left i’m right is driving an import and voted for the last loser congress. It is Toyota’s plan to be the top car manufacture in the world and Japan ISOLATES others from investing in their country.
On another note the baseball teams have players from other countries and that’s fine but we don’t let any foreign teams play in out leagues. Lets compare apples with apples.
Nothing is sacred anymore? What part of all the profits go to JAPAN did you not understand? I guarantee you live north of the mason Dixon line too so far left i’m right
look at half the cars, their toyotas, you are just afraid of compition.toyota is a GOOD CAR COMPANY. By the way, on History channel it said that in the veitnam war we used TOYOTAS
I can tell miked was never in the service, at that time we used 1/4 ton jeeps made by Ford. AND ANOTHER THING YOU SHOULD USE SPELL CHECK?
people like you are the reasons we have wars.. trying to differ yourself from the rest of the world… same goes for all the terrorists..
you would think after so many damn centuarys people would accept for what they are.. people.. not countries, borders, race, skincolor, religion. etc.
now this is over a CAR RACE…. hate over cars.. how stupid is that?
someone that cares-
I live in california, car land USA. Qualifies as north of the mason dixie line right? I do drive an import to commute in, but I own a dodge truck to haul my tools to work. I’m also the son of immigrants, and have embraced the american way of life even though I’m only 24 years old…I go to college and pay my way through with a little help from the gov’t and I’m thankful for the opportunity. I guess immigrants these days aren’t entitled to the
same lifestyle we (also mine I guess?) Americans hold dear. I may drive an import but I’m entitled to my own opinion regardless of location relative to an imaginary line. If i were from the south and still disagreed would it matter more or less?
dont like how toyota is ruining nascar? stop watching. simple as that. Let your outrage be heard in the form of lost revenue. They’re in it for money too folks. its a business. money first, and unfortunently, fans second…theres always going to be local events with local people at the speedway right?
Hate to spoil it for the “American Brand” complainers out there, but Toyota is not the only foreign manufacturer in NASCAR.
Dodge is a Daimler-Chrysler brand, a German-owned company…who we fought in two wars that killed more American soldiers than all other wars combined. The Charger is made entirely in Canada, who we also fought (as the French and British) in a few wars.
The Monte Carlo partially manufactured and is entirely assembled in Canada as well.
The Fusion is manufactured in Mexico, who we also fought in a war.
The Camry is entirely assembled in the U.S. Toyota of America is a publicly traded company on the NYSE, so all of that money doesn’t go back to Japan.
Having said all of that, I would rather buy a car from a company that employs 300,000 American workers and makes a few Japanese businessmen rich, than buy a car that employs 200,000 Mexican workers and makes a few American businessmen rich.
Change is inevitable growth is optional, I think Toyota presents a new challenge to all and it will make teams work harder at making sure they stay on top of the pile. This compitition is what will make the folks that are doing the R.D. for new and inovative products work harder to make them better, same for Toyota it is a healthy positure for everyone. No one is obligated to watch or attend its a free country bogity bogity lets go racing life is to short as it is. As SMOKE would say catch me if you can bring em on.
You have lost some 50 longtime fans in Michigan by using Toyotas…an American sport DOES NOT use NON AMERICAN cars. sorry we won’t be attending or watching anymore. cb/others
I have been reading this stuff since may and i got to say some of you guys out there really Know your FACTS but you still need to get off your moms tit and just realise we(Americans) are running out of things to beable to call American. I say we give em a huge fight this year and just really let them no how much we really dont wont them here, for God sakes dont let them take this from us to
Nascar fans need to understand that times have changed. If you look at professional sports, there are players from all over the world particating. American athletes are also participating in foreign teams in baseball, basketball, hockey, etc. Most of the cars made by Chevrolet, Ford, Chrysler/Dodge are made/outsourced in Canada, Mexico and Asia. The Pontiac GTO is made in Australia. Toyota participating in Nascar is part of our global world.
Just accept the change and move one.
I seriously doubt (as well as Nascar) that fans will tune out of watching. There’s always the curiousity factor that will entice fans to return and watch.
The negative publicity is free publicity for Nascar. This will draw in new as will as existing fans.
Most of you haters probably do drive an import car but decide to jump on the anti-toyota bandwagon with ignorant comments. This is a very nice example of how educated some of you folks are.
BDK is right… Toyota is now a part of nascar like Ford is integrated in some series in Europe. ( Have you heard Brit. or German complain about that? )At the present time and probably for the rest of our life, it’s gonna be hard to purchase a car 100% parts made in USA and so what! We must accept the new reality. Times has changed. And could we stop being so arrogant and full of condescension. The world does not belong to us. Let’s think about it guys.
Goodbye…
BDK is so right, in comments 97 & 98.Stop being so frustrated and narrow minded! If you keep on believe that american cars are 100% American made and assembled in US, you’d better ride a horse. In fact I got a Chrysler with German parts and I like my car. I would probably not buy a Chrysler before Daimler acquire Chrysler. Ford and Mazda Pick up are build side by side and and Mazda trucks are powered by Ford V6 and so what.
In 2008, Chrysler has plans to sell cars made in China and rebadge them as Chrysler automobiles. The Sebring and the Mitsubishi Eclipse has shared the same engine. The Ford Escape and the Mazda Tribute are pretty much the same car. The Chevrolet Aveo is a rebadged car from South Korea. The Chevrolet Tracker is a rebadged Suzuki Grand Vitara. I like John Mellencamps “this is our country” song that Chevrolet exploited but it does not apply to all of their cars.
The reason why Toyota will soon become the world’s number 1 auto maker is because they build a quality product…period! GM, Ford and Chrysler sat on their asses and did not built cars that the “American” people wanted. The big three American auto makers are now playing catch up with innovative products that are already outdated in many countries. Its funny why some folks here still insists that Nascar should only be for “American” cars…I guarantee that none of the cars driven in Nascar today are actually “Made in America”.
Hey Nascar fans…the next time you go watch the races either on TV or in person, remember that the television, binculars, video or digital camera you’re viewing with is NOT “Made in America”!
FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO QUIT THE NAME CALLING. “REDNECKS, IGNORANT HICKS, PLEASE DONT INSULT MY INTELLIGENCE. WE ALSO CAN QUIT REMINDING EACH OTHER ABOUT FOREIGN CARS BEING MADE IN THE U.S. AND AMERICAN CARS MADE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. DOES ANYONE REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY WHEN THE LIKES OF AJ FOYT BATTLED AL UNSER IN FRONT OF A PACKED INDY 500 CROWD? NOW ITS SOME DUDE IVE NEVER HEARD OF DRIVING A JAPANESE POWERED CAR FOR THE WIN AND THEY WONDER WHY THEY DONT SELL OUT INDY ANY MORE. THERES NOT AS MUCH INTEREST ANYMORE. WHY DOSENT BRIAN FRANCE LET THE TRUE FANS OF THE SPORT HAVE A SAY ON IT? ALL LAST YEAR I HEARD THE TV COMMENTATORS SAYING “IT’LL BE SO GOOD FOR THE SPORT” BUT HAVED FAILED TO EXPLAIN JUST HOW. IT IS ALSO A WELL KNOWN FACT ESPECIALLY WITH VETERAN DRIVERS AND DRIVERS WITH FAMILIES HAVE COMPLAINED OF THE SPORT GETTING TO BIG WITH ITS EXPANDED SEASON. AS NASCAR BECOMES MORE “DIVERSE” DO THEY START CANCELLING RACES IN THE U.S. TO RUN THEM IN ANOTHER COUNTRY?? ARE YOU GUYS UNDERSTANDING ANY OF THIS?!! WHAT DO THE OWNERS AND THE DRIVERS REALLY THINK? AND WHY DO THEY, WHEN THEY ARE BEING INTERVIEWED, GIVE THESE B.S. REHEARSED ANSWERS THAT NASCAR WANTS THEM TO SAY? I, AM ONE OF MANY, WHO JUST CANT BELIEVE THEM. HAND PUPPETS OF FRANCE PERHAPS. WHERES OUR TONY STEWARTS OF RACING?! ITS HUMAN NATURE THAT PEOPLE WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH WINNERS. AMERICAN CARS HAVE BEEN WINNING IN NASCAR SINCE IT STARTED BECAUSE THATS THE WAY WE WANTED IT, BACK THEN AS WELL AS NOW. COME ON, ARE YOU GETTING IT YET. WE WANT TO SEE “OUR” CARS IN VICTORY CIRCLE TO MOTIVAT US TO GO TO A FORD OR CHEVY DEALER AND BUY A NEW CAR—AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT. MAYBE FORD CAN AVOID HAVING TO REPORT AN ANNUAL LOSS OF 12 BILLION FREAKIN’ DOLLARS! WHAT WOULD THE LATE GREAT DALE EARNHARDT THINK, AND BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF. A PREVIOUS COMMENT STATED THAT MORE AND MORE FORIEGN PRO BASEBALL PLAYERS ARE COMMING TO MLB, THAT IS A FACT. BUT LETS SAY YOU TUNE INTO THE FINAL GAME OF THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES, DONT ALL OF US SECRETLY HOPE THE KIDS FROM PENNSYLVANIA BEAT THE JAPANESE KIDS? MAN, IM SORRY, BUT THATS HOW I(OR WE?) FEEL. NASCAR WAS AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE RED, WHITE AND OLDSCHOOL BLUE. LETS REMEMBER WHERE THIS SPORT STARTED AND WHO PAID THEIR DUES. IT DOSENT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE ABOUT THE MONEY, CANT IT BE ABOUT THE PRIDE. LONG LIVE DETROIT STEEL.
When we take our country back you left wing liberals some will have to move. And if all your nonsense is true and they really make a better car than us. Then lets all those foreign baseball teams and basketball and football teams in too.
Like the markets are open for us there. BDK is just plain ignorant!
I for one will cheer on the Toyota Team. For years I have been a loyal Ford fan. They started the downward spiral when they got rid of the Thunderbird for the Taurus and further deminished the team by racing the @$#&$%. Sorry Office Depot but I’m following the Red Bull now.
In response to 105…wakeup and smell your imported coffee!
I’m 54 a veteran and don’t drink coffee and have only rode in one rice burner im my life and it rode like a log wagon(Subaru)Bet you own one!!
Your lame and pro pro burner BDK :~)
Bet you money BDK owns a rice burner and is trying to justify it. I am 54 a vet and have only rode in one, a Subaru and it rode like a log wagon. And don’t drink coffee?
LET’S HAVE MORE LAME EXCUSSES FOR NOT SUPPORTING OUR COUNTRY AND IT’S WORKERS
lol….kudos for toyota…love the stupid things people have to comment about. I dont mind all the neg comments but please quit watching wrestling and do a little research first please. I think toyota will do good and yes it just might clear the stands of inbreds lol
American Nascar is boring its time to bring new flavor to the track. why all u red necks don’t want nobody else in the program? Simple because racistism is still in america. Grow up and be apart of the world Japanese people built car for the whole world that’s why the work very hard for quality. not like
american.. i feel shame…..
In reponse to 109…
For your information, I’ve owned two Chevrolets (Cavalier and Camaro) before owning two imports (Infiniti and Suzuki). All of these cars were bought used.
When it comes to used vehicles, I’d rather buy an import than a new or used domestic.
Have you read the latest Consumer Guide on used cars? Most of the reliable used cars are imports. Most of the cars to avoid are domestics….Go Figure!
BTW…I bet 99% of the electrical items in your trailer are made in another country. Especially the computer you’re typing your crap with.
I totally know why you say what you do because you so stupid to believe Consumer Guide. The same people watch mainstream news and agree with the crap they feed you every night too.
But it doesn’t change the fact that you support foreign companies and not American. How many jobs do we to give away before folks like you care? Does it have to be yours? I repair that Chinese crap all week we call computers and it won’t affect my job. But I have plenty of friends that have lost their jobs because of unfair trade. If only 10% more of Americans would buy American it would create 3 to 7 million better paying jobs here. You know yourself that most are working for less that what we made in the last ten years.
Your right they do make good cars, but you can pick American cars and trucks that do well too.
You just chose not to support
Pleassssseeee! People we are entering the final phase of this New World Order and YOU, have to remember! Out with the old and in with the new! Think Global Village and give up that die hard sovereignty for a claer path to a world that can co-exist without borders!
BDK Your profile says he you are left wing Democrat non-Veteran. Anti war. Anti GUN AND PRO COICE
So easy to read
in responce to 90, im 12 yrs old. P.S. republicans SUCK!
In response to 115…I hope profiling is not your day job b/c I’m not a Democrat, not anti-gun and yes this is America…we all have a choice…
I once worked for Ford. At the dealership, the only parts box or package I could find that read “Made in USA” were the disc rotors which incidentally kept getting recalled due to warpage. Everything else was from Canada, Mexico, UK, Brazil, Japan, Thailand, Malta, France, etc. Yes, MALTA.
I once worked for GM. Small parts made here in America, then hauled to Mexico to be assembled into big components, & hauled back to the plant here in America to be installed in the cars.
Harleys? Post-AMF days, when Harley was Harley again….right before the big “buy-a-Harley” fad broke out. The chain….made in Japan. Forks….made in Japan. Electrical components….made in Japan. Reflectors….made in Finland. Headlamp….made in France.
Of course the bike was assembled here in America. However; let’s not forget to mention that Harley has a factory in BRAZIL now….on the Amazon River no doubt. Wonder how many parts are now from Brazil.
The days of the stereotypical patriotic lunatic frothing at the mouth & pumping his fist in the air yelling, “Buy American” are over. There probably hasn’t been a 100% American-made car produced in America since the 1940’s.
Toyotas? Darn good cars compared to all the pieces of work from Detroit I ever owned.
I welcome Toyota to NASCAR.
When we take our country back Check the Label might have to move. He doesn;t realize how many don’t like these left wing rice burner lovers
We can’t have a sport of our own with out the japan butting in on our fun and American history.
We can’t have a sport of our own with out the Japanese butting in on our fun and American history.
We can’t have a sport of our own with out the Japanese butting in on our fun and American history!!
In reponse to Check the Label. You’re 100% correct. There is an interesting article written by Kevin Hench from FOX Sports. All Nascar fans old and new should read. The days of borderline racist attitudes are over…
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/6410502
You can make excuses all day that my American truck is part foreign and your Asian truck which includes the Korean crap too is made here and creates all those 300,000 jobs. The bottom line is that Asian markets and their Goverments protect their companies and their jobs. And don’t allow free trade. Blame it on racism or our cars are junk. The reality is that Americans refuse to support our jobs and companies.
But by caparison and the backward trade laws. We traded millions for a few jobs.
We are breaking our back to buy more crap from China and India. Where are those tree huggers now that China and India are the biggest polluters in the world?
Go ahead put an American flag on your Toyota. Some are so proud of themselves they don’t see what’s wrong with that. It’s all about me and how good I look in my Datsun.
And it is Patriot to buy American even though some of the parts are foreign.
Check the label should marry BDK and move to Tokyo They should b very happy driving those Subaru’s around Japan
Just Kidding
LETS NOT FORGET PEARL HARBOR
AMERICAN FOREVER
IMPORT NEVER
Some talk of racism, I have a friend that goes to Japan on a regular basis and the Japanese people don’t like us. But I guess that’s ok. They don’t want to sell to us they have too. We are about 35% of their economy. Others say that we should forgive what they did to us. That’s why the Japanese have a party over the Arizona every year to celebrate what they did. I have a Japanese friend that draws a disability check for radiation poisoning from us bombing them after Pearl Harbor.
She drives a American car and has American flags all over he yard.
NO MORE EXCUSES YOU CHOSE NOT TO SUPPORT OUR JOBS AND OUR AMERICAN COMPANIES
I would just like to share a view from across the pond! NASCAR has sold out and forgotten it’s roots, soon it will be a showcase of mind numbing COT’s driving around with Nissan, Honda, KIA, Toyota and a hunk of other junky brand names written on their hoods. Soon, just like Indy (The Great American Race – without an American manufacturer involved), the Daytona 500 will be a spectacle better moved to the shores of Monaco/UAE/Japan.
As an Englishman, I own three American cars I would by choice own no other! I love stock car racing, US Muscle and America out right Looking to the hero’s of yesteryear for inspiration, Herb Thomas, Fireball Roberts, Lee Petty, Ralph E and Dale, the King … these were real race car drivers from a time where convertibles raced on the beach and drivers used their racecars to drive home!
A winged Dodge Charger/ Plymouth Superbird or a Ford Torino justified the integrity of the manufacturers clearly and family’s maintained links with brands through generations.
Rubbing, banging was racing, emotions, passion, desire for victory was everything … today it is all about $$ … I appreciate it that Toyota is made in America by factories employing Americans and that freedom to choose is in the constitution … but surely it should be written that certain things remain unspoilt, unchanged part of the heritage of a great nation … don’t allow your history and tradition to be brushed aside for political correctness (like it has in England)!
I have been dirt tracks in South Dakota, the World 600 as it should be correctly known in Charlotte, Chicagoland, Martinsville, Bristol, Darlington, Sears Point, Las Vegas …. and this April I go to Phoenix for what will be my last race, NASCAR Nextel race … as I don’t want to see COT’s (Subaru Imprezza look-a-likes) or Toyota’s, as it just ain’t right!
Sorry I am a purist … Bowties, Fords, Dodge ONLY , infact bring back Olds and Plymouth!! Bring back Rockingham, North Wilksboro and the SOUTHERN 500!!
Looks like hobby stocks,Dirt Racing, ASA, ARCA, will get my support till it is over run.
Several of these current safety changes have been put on the loss of the great Dale Senior at Daytona 2001, the real question is how many of these would he have endorsed and prescribed to, eg He would not wear a full face helmet or ‘Hans Device’?
The issue I don’t feel has anything to do with racism … everyone should in a free market have the right to choose what they own, where it comes from and how much money they want to spend for it … still this does not mean that everything that is pure, traditional and like apple pie should have to be watered down to some sloppy mash of big business and the ‘don’t upset the sponsors correctness’!!
RACE SUNDAY BUY MONDAY!
God Bless America!
PS The only other foreign manufacturer sanctioned to race in NASCAR since ‘49 was English made Jaguar in the 1950’s – my feelings remain the same, National Association of Stock Car Auto Racing did not even include English built road cars, American manufacturers only!
You southern folk got alot to learn, Toyota is here to stay-get over it!
Never invite a jap for dinner. Rice sucks. Hamburgers Rule!!!!
Hey Joe the South Will Rise Again and this time we have the Industry and the money
This happened in motorcycle racing as well. The sport got better when the Japanese entered. Initially it will be difficult for Toyota to run in the top of the pack and there will be much rejoicing when they don’t. But they will overcome that in short order and the sport will cease to be a chevy, ford, mopar only show. This cannot be bad for the sport.
Dear Sgt Talmadge Jones:
You obviously are an illiterate moron who does not know how to spell. With idiots like you in the military, it is no wonder that we lost in Vietnam and are losing in Iraq.
The 386,000 people employs is mainly in sales not building cars.
I can tell you never served in any capacity (Tommy stein) You cut and run Democrats lost Vietnam and are trying their best to loose in Iraq too. BET YOU HAPPY DRIVING YOUR RICE BURNER.
I can tell you never served in any capacity (Tommy stein) You cut and run Democrats lost Vietnam and are trying their best to loose in Iraq too. BET YOUR HAPPY DRIVING YOUR RICE BURNER.
If you dont want your tickets to the races somebody else does HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This debate getting very boring and to political…
I’m bored of that debate… ADIOS…
Why do people complain about so much.
You try to get rid of Mexicans but you pay them to cut your grass. You eat their tacos and drink their taquilla.
Or you eat Asian food and talk on a sony. Watch tv on a hitachi what else ? No matter how much of an american you are you own something in your home or trailer made other than american. Stop being stupeducated and fight for what really matters in AMERICA…
I hope the next few years Nascar becomes americas # 1 sport
See, the problem is that the stereotypical “patriot” thumping his chest screaming “Buy American!” and “No Imports!” fails to wake up and see.
I HAVE SEEN where the majority of parts come from for AMERICAN brand cars & Harley. I even videoed the boxes at the Ford dealership long ago to prove to skeptics like those of you crying, “Buy American”. Anyone who works for GM knows when Adelphi was up & running well, that parts were shipped to Mexico to be assembled into components. Anyone who owns a Harley can look closely at some of the parts on it and find, “Made in Japan.” Showa forks on a Harley sure the heck ain’t American-made.
You name-callers pay no attention to reality. Even grapes in the produce section mostly come from Chile, as they did DECADES ago for the U.S. Military.
It’s just funny how when everyone starts calling everyone leftist-liberal Japanese lovers. For instance, I may be a registered Republican and my father may have fought the Japanese in WW2. I myself may be a disabled veteran who sacrificed for this country. But that’s my business.
I know one thing….the reason America became what America has become is because of you bar-stool name-callers who can’t comprehend the truth & facts, so you all just make up derogatory names to call people who try to point out the truth. Those of you who refuse to accept the fact that it’s possible for America to have lost a war (or two), or that America has turned to the Third World for car parts, or that “change” may come to auto racing.
I haven’t followed NASCAR since the days of the REAL cars when there was hardly ANY ADVERTISEMENTS posted all over the REAL body. I couldn’t stand the changes. Fiberglass, the tons of adds covering the hood & sides of the car! I liked it better when there was just something simple as “426 CID” tacked on the hood.
So, those of you who don’t want Toyota in NASCAR can either quit watching, accept it, or draft up petitions to be sent to the multi-million dollar sport – of which I‘m sure they will gladly “round-file” your petition & effort.
I used to be a GM guy. No more.
I purchased my first Toyota this summer and let me tell you, it is a far better automobile than anything I’ve ever owned.
American auto manufacturers are an embarrassment to all Americans. We have the worlds best Colleges and Universities, yet our autos are are not up to par with the offerings from Toyota, Nissan, Audi, BMW, Honda, Subaru, and others.
You should be pissed at Ford, Chevy, and Dodge for making crappy autos, not Toyota. It’s not Toyota’s fault that they make better cars.
PREPARE FOR TOTAL DOMINATION OF NASCAR BY TOYOT’R!!!!!! TOYONATION HAS BEGUN. DAYTONA 500 WILL BE THE FIRST CONQUERED BY TOYOT’R!!!! SOON EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD WILL OWN A TOYOT’R!!!! TOYOT’R WILL CRUSH THE BIG THREE, SEE YOU IN A TOYOT’R SOON!!!!!!!!
KEEP MAKING EXCUSES AND TELLING YOURSELF THAT YOUR A PATRIOT.AND KEEP BUYING ASIAN CRAP UNTIL YOU LOOSE YOUR JOB. I DON’T WATCH ROUND DE ROUND CARS ANYWAY. TOO MANY REDNECK DRUNKS
Tell yourself it’s ok not to buy a Chevy or a Ford. AND IT’S NOT OK FOR ALL THOSE MESICANS TO BE HERE EITHER.
Check the label is just rambling and is not one of us and not the views of most. He will see one day
Rush L told me about people like Check The Label. You have to sink to thier level so they understand the truth. I refuse to do that. Read more and you might just understand what this attitude is doing to our ecomomy.
Forth attemp of Toyota to make a real truck with real torqe and sturdy frames. If they keep it up and keep stealing Ford’s Tecnology they might just build a good truck one day.
TOYOT’R STEALIN’ FORD’S TECHNOLOGY? ARE YOU PLUM CRAZY!?! YOU MEANT FORD STEALIN’ MAZDA’S TECHNOLOGY! I AGREE WITH MISSISSIPPI. IT WILL BE A TOYONATION!!!!! TOYOT’R WILL DOMINATE NASCAR AND THE NEXT BIGFOOT WILL BE A TOYOT’R!!!!!!!! OH WHAT A FEELIN’!!!!
Stock car racing has been gone for some time. There is nothing “stock” about these plastic things they call cars. If that were still the case, I doubt Toyota would win many races with a stock V6 camry. I guess a manufacturer no longer has to have a real push rod V8 in their showrooms to compete in stock car racing. I have been done with NASCAR for quite a while now. Toyota puts the final nail in the coffin for me. Maybe in 08 they will start using hybrids in NASCAR.
And for those of you who think that camrys are only made in America, I see thousands of them come off the ships from Japan in Long Beach California every week!
I have owned Fords, Chevys, Toyotas, and Hondas. I have had problems with all of them. But the toyotas have had the most expensive peoblems. Two blown head gaskets and a recent fiasco with an 05 sienna minivan that left my family stranded in the California desert. Toyota does make some dependable cars but so do Ford, Dodge and GM. If the big three made nothing but junk, there wouldn’t be any still on the road.
Americans! “Sigh” I love american cars and if i could afford to run one in England i would but at 90pence per litre of fuel its impossible. I have a 1 litre vauxhall (GM) which is 5 years old and breaks down once a week with a different fault every time, it uses 2 litres of oil a month and is very cheap and plastic. I also have a Toyota Supra with the 2JZ engine (One of the best engines ever created i might add!) which has never broken down or lost any oil/water/fluid of any kind, always starts, any weather, always spotless and even heavily modified still gets 25 miles per gallon. Its the envy of most of the people in my city and i would never sell it. I would challenge any american car to catch it or go for as long without fault. Dont get me wrong here but Toyota are providing you people with jobs that your own companies are taking away from you, as always you are on here trying to shoot yourselves in the foot. Stop winging and let Toyota show you what they can do, you may be pleasantly surprised.
You anti American folks should go to recalls.com Toyota has more recalls than all the manufactures combined.
Every night at 6:00 i see Toyautocar commercials telling you smart Americans how gret thier cars are.aND YOU GUYS ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT
Dale hasn’t got any nerve anymore and won’t win with a wantabe Nascar Toyota
Some of us know the plan of Toyota, tell us how many they employ(mostly in sales and suck the rest of you folks in)
But he is a good man just greed got the best of him
GO Green with Toyota and all your money goes to Japan
Such fools
A race is a race, no matter what is in the race. Get over it.
I went to my first and last NASCAR race in 1981. I was under the impression that since it got more mainstream, it was a more tolerant crowd. I was wrong.
You people should all save your breath, because when ignorance is part of the equation neither side will even consider the other side of the argument. Hence the jingoism.
Bigots suck.
I love my older Chevys. But I hate so say it. Look out for them Toyos. THEY ARE COMING TO A TRACK NEAR YOU.
Its going to be a great intresting year. All those REAL fans who claim to give up on Nascar you wont make it past the BUD SHOOT OUT. STOP YOUR RACISM ITS JUST A ANOTHER CONTENDER SUPPORT YOUR NASCAR OTHER WISE WATCH FIGURE SKATING SEE YOU OUT ON THE ICE……..NOT
PS. IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO READ OR WRITE HERE ITS ONLY BECAUSE YOU LOVE YOUR NASCAR BOTTOM LINE LETS HELP NASCAR BECOME AMERICAS # 1 SPORT
Its all about the benjamins..sooner or later it woulda happened..you are living in corporate AMERICA..Home of the SELLOUT
When i read these comments i picture hairy flanel-wearing, confederate flag-toting grime balls. You know what, i wish the south had won and seceded, then all you ignorant people would have your own country. Ultra-conservative morons. Half of you don’t even know how to speak english correctly. I’m surprised you idiots even have computers down there. God, just leave. Its not even about NASCAR. We’re in the age of globalization. Eventually it will be one world, and countries will be states. We are all on the same planet, we’re all in this together, who cares if the company is owned by our neighbors across the Pacific? And speaking of you using the term “National” being American only, explain to me why there are Canadian teams in the NBA, NHL, and NLL. And what about the Toronto Blue Jays in the AL? Idiots, do us all a favor and leave, take your bibles and guns with you.
first of all we have a unfair trade agreement with the oriental countries.US manufactuers cant sell there cars overseas. two, people are brain washed that toyotas are so great. they right now have one of the largest recall campaigns going.third, a camery as a race car? there is no such thing as a hiperformance camery or toyota for that matter. nascar has gotten boring over the years. its all about marketing and stupid commercials.they have sold out. they should go back to homoglating cars, as they did back in the60’s. lets see, ford as mustangs , shelbys ford gt…chrysler has srts, charger,magnum… chevy has corvette etc. toyota has nothing!! zero! no street performance! they should be band from nascar and the US govt should step in and say,you can sell your cars here as long as we can selll our american built cars over there.period.
FYI
I think toyota will make nascar a little more exciting. But its not that that i look at i look at how theyre all of a sudden putting in a foreign car in a sport thats been all american for years from the start these foreign companies are messing up our economy as is we dont need them racing in one of the biggest sports in our country. Theyre trying to take over everything of ours in the way of large businesses and run them in their countries and take away our jobs. Im totaly against this act.
TO THOSE OF US OPPOSED TO TOYOTA, LETS BAND TOGETHER AND HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS!! I RECENTLY TOOK AN ONLINE SURVEY THAT REVEALED 45% ARE AGAINST JAPANESE ENTERING NEXTEL CUP, ONLY 32% WERE FOR IT AND 23% DIDNT CARE. SO HERES OUR PLAN, WE DO NOT PATRONIZE THE SPONSORS WE SEE ON THE HOODS OF THE CAMRYS. I, FOR ONE, WILL NO LONGER DRINK RED BULL, EAT DOMINOES PIZZA OR BUY ANY PRODUCT MADE BY CATERPILLAR. COME ON, ARE YA WITH ME?! 45% OF US CANT BE WRONG. P.S. I PREDICT THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC OVER PUERTO RICO IN 7 GAMES IN THE NEXT WORLD SERIES.
You anti American folks should go to recalls.com Toyota has more recalls than all the manufactures combined.
Every night at 6:00 i see Toyautocar commercials telling you smart Americans how gret thier cars are.aND YOU GUYS ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT
Dale hasn’t got any nerve anymore and won’t win with a wantabe Nascar Toyota
Some of us know the plan of Toyota, tell us how many they employ(mostly in sales and suck the rest of you folks in)
But he is a good man just greed got the best of him
GO Green with Toyota and all your money goes to Japan
Such fools and Porterhouse needs to move to Japan
They got there buy changing the rules. Are you sure that this is nascar or mabe it is tWWF
They got there buy changing the rules. Are you sure that this is nascar or mabe it is the wwf
Jesus, you ignorant rednecks are embarrassing.
Toyota does more for america than any of the other “big three” (ignoring the fact that toyota is actually number 2 in our country. It employs more, pays more, makes better products.
Frankly, NASCAR has always been nothing more than rednecks turning left, so Im a bit surprised toyota even cares to join. I suspect they will easily dominate within 2 years.
Dont like it, NASCAR fans? tough. Your time is up.
nascar is a america sport not a japan sport.japan and china is what is wrong with us now.
I lost two uncles to the Japs, one had his privates shoved in his mouth. Do you know many Asians and Chinese the Japs have murdered and never apoligized for or even admitted to? Have you ever been to Japan? Do you know much money the US tax payer spent rebuilding Japan after WWII? F@!k the Japs and people who drive rice burners. You people are ignorant. I have a Thunderbird with 205k miles, drove the last GM car I had 195k miles ( still runing when I sold it ) and I love nothing better than to blow the doors off them rice burners with my 335 HP American RWD car. Yeah, I’m a redneck and that makes you a Jap lover with no idea what your actions mean long term.
Let us inform this ignorant Mike about economics. I live in Louisville Ky and those folks at Georgetown Toyota plant for 4 10-hour days make $46,000 a year. For the same amount of hours at Ford in Louisville they make $71,000. So tell me why a Camry cost more than a Ford 500. Profits go to support the people in Japan that don’t like us.
So stop making excuses for giving our jobs away.
Talk to some at the Toyota plant and see how they are treated. Sounds like American needs to wake up before it’s too late. I haven’t seen Toyota do much in the truck series and won’t do much in the cars either. Read the history books about Japanese can only imitate and copy our technology.
I don’t know where you get your information but I have friends that work at both plants. What does it take to justify not supporting Americans and their jobs?
The debate will end when these Misinformed Americans will wake up and stop making excuses,
Your car is imported too?
All the parts on your car are made in Japan and China?
It’s a Global economy?
They make a better car?
They employ millions of Americans?
American cars are junk?
Listen to yourselves , You choose not to support our country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with Don and i think less of those that drive that trash too. And your right about the long term effect of those that love that Jap Crap
Automaker Jobs. U.S. automakers employ twice the number of autoworkers – on a per vehicle basis – as foreign-owned companies. Even with recent cuts, Ford and GM each employ more Americans than all foreign-owned automakers combined. And Chrysler’s U.S. job “footprint” is about 20 times the size of Hyundai’s. Honda, one of the largest, longest operating “transplant” manufacturers operating in the U.S., employs approximately 28,000 Americans, but that is still about one-fourth the number employed by Ford.
Supplier Jobs. “Made in America” matters even more when you look at the men and women working for auto parts suppliers that serve automakers. These companies employ nearly twice as more Americans than the automakers themselves. And Ford, GM and Chrysler purchase approximately 80 percent of the parts these people make. Based on market share, foreign automakers should be buying about twice what they are.
Research & Development. Tomorrow’s jobs will depend, in part, on today’s R&D – particularly in fuel efficiency and safety.
The Japanese Automobile Manufacturers Association (JAMA), an association of 14 Japanese automakers doing business in America, notes that they collectively employ more than 3,600 R&D workers at 36 facilities nationwide. Honda operates 10 facilities employing 1,300 R&D professionals. That’s great, but more than 65,000 Americans (20 times JAMA’s total) work in 215 automotive R&D facilities in Michigan alone.
Don’t you think the only reason they employ in American is so we’ll buy more of thier trash.You know that’s why they do it. They can say Toyota’s are built in American. When the reality most are still built in Japan
Stupid Americans
It’s like comparing Waylon Jennings to Shania Twain. Old CW vs. today’s CW. NASCAR vs. Stock car racing. Anyone seen a real Pontiac or Mercury in NASCAR lately? I’d like to hear the opinions of drivers such as David Pearson, Bobby Allison, Cale Yarborough, Alan Kulwicki, and Bobby Labonte. NASCAR changed forever in the 80’s & 90’s. Cars like the Taurus were allowed to compete. Restrictor plates are the unfortunate norm.
These days, it’s Hollywood NASCAR. Everyone focuses on the drivers (the cars don’t play poker), and all the flash. Now, all of a sudden the CARS are important just because the Toyota Camry has arrived?
Carroll Shelby took Ford to Europe and won. The Europeans didn’t want him or his Fords there….at first. It inspired others to become competitive. Perhaps the Toyota effort will provide motivation for GM and the rest to help make NASCAR interesting again.
That, and eliminating restrictor plates once and for all.
This discussion seems to involve a lot of name calling instead of looking at what is taking place in NASCAR. Can anyone explain the differences between the “stock” cars? The rules are such that the NASCAR cars draw from a common pool of parts that bear little if any resemblance to what we buy in the showroom. Gone are the days when the hemi that raced had a lot of common parts that you could buy in a car that looked like the one raced. How in heaven’s name can you call any of the cars “stock cars”? NASCAR has stretched it too far. I would like to see the days return when the GM used an engine that you could buy in an actual car. You can substitute whatever car manufacturer you want because they are all playing the NASCAR game. Please avoid labeling me. I presently have 3 vehicles in my garage. The Pontiac TransSport was picked for its plastic and 3800 V-6, the Chevy Tahoe Z-71 for its truck heritage and strong small block, and the wife gets the Toyoya Camry V-6 because nothing seemed as smooth and reliable. I enjoy my Tahoe but it has had its share of electrical problems and little annoyances. NASCAR was once an American race. However, things are changing. Unless the domestics wake up to what is and has happened to quality and reliability, NASCAR will have to be different because the writing is already on the wall. I once owned GM stock and shares in GMAC. Guess what happened to my investment? All the shouting and name calling will not affect what is likely to take place unless some real changes are made by the “American” automotive industry. It will take more than talk by the automotive executives. I think we are more than ready for action. . . . time will tell!
NASCAR isn’t even a sport. All you rednecks that love it should go sleep with your cousins.
What brand of Asian crap do you drive PORTERHOUSE. Makes you mad that Americans support Americans and comments don’t fit your agenda.
So sad, i feel sorry for you. Did you see how poorly Dale did so far with that wonderful Camry
Question for all you that are against anything non-American. What monitor are you using as you read this and where was it made? Where was the computer and its parts that you’re using made? Or the Cable or DSL Modem? What about the keyboard and mouse that you’ll be using to flame me with — where were they made? How about the TV that you use to watch NASCAR and Fox News? If you’re truly American, you’d throw it all away and buy an old RCA, GE or Maganavox TV from a thrift store and not use a computer at all since they all use parts made from foreign countries, even the first PC’s that were American made like Apples or Timex-Sinclairs or Ataris. But then you couldn’t use the internet. I guess you can sell your soul and justify that, right, but at the same time criticize others that drive foreign cars. Can you say hypocrite? I thought you could.
Im not really in favor of Toyota coming into NASCAR but now im say “Bring em on”. I think its really going to be something for the Big 3 to use as a marketing tool cuz Toyota is never going to get talented enough drivers to come over cuz drivers like Gordan, JR, Johnson, and Stewart are never going to cross company lines. The only thing i have to say is if a Toyota wins a race the fans in the stands better have some serious balls cuz NASCAR fans arent exactly the nicest guys in the world.
To the poster that comments “I personally do not care if the Toyota’s are made in my basement….it is still a Toyota. And I would love to see the reaction of baseball fans if the champion Japanese team were permitted to compete in the WORLD series….don’t think that would go over too well. And why, because the World Series is AMERICAN. For me it has nothing to do with where the vehicles are made, or how many Americans they employ, or how reliable they are (I gave my Chevy Beretta away with over 500,000 miles by the way). It comes down to this…….Toyota is not an American company.”
Could you be anymore idiotic???
The WORLD series. Let’s say that again together….. The WORLD series. Last I checked, there was never anything other than American teams in the WORLD series. Doesn’t seem too much like a WORLD series to me. Maybe the American series ot the North America – South of Canada series, but not the World Series.
In the end, I think time will tell whether or not Toyota will be good for NASCAR. Personally, I think it’s about time some other car manufacturer decided to take on, or rather be allowed to compete with, the only three manufacturers that have been in the sport the last few years. I miss the days when there were more than three car manufacturers (there used to be Buicks and Pontiacs, what happened to them?). I think this is a great step for one of the top seeling car manufacturers here in the US. I look for the day when Honda and Hyundai put cars into the race. And for those of you who are giving up your seats just because there is/are Toyotas now in the race – thank you! I’ve been waiting for those seats for a long time!
Same old excuses and cop outs Joe, does not make it right to let them in Nascar.
Make up some more excuses for not supporting Americans and American Companies
Who’s making excuses, Bla Bla Bla? First of all, this started as a discussion about Toyota in Nascar. It’s turned into an America versus anything foreign-made. If you could read, you’ll notice I didn’t say anything about Toyota joining Nascar. I simply pointed out the hypocrites who are against Toyota for being a foreign company while at the same time using foreign-made computers among many other things in their daily lives, like you, who is using “Asian crap” to read this post.
Who’s the one calling out others for driving Japanese cars but at the same time using foreign-made equipment to do it with? Funny how you can justify that but have no tolerance for others buying foreign cars. You are a hypocrite plain and simple and make your rules based on how it suits your needs. Now go ahead and go back to surfing the net with your foreign made computer equipment and watch TV on your foreign-made TV. Then when you get up tomorrow and put on your foreign-made clothes and your foreign-made shoes, drink your coffee from your foreign-made coffeemaker and eat your toast from your foreign-made toaster, you can feel good on the drive in to work knowing that your driving an American car (made with foreign parts). Hahaha, what a moron.
For the rest of you, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and buy nothing but American-made things. If you can’t find American-made items like computers and TVs, then protest and stop using them! How you live with your double-standard is beyond me. I guess foreign-made “crap” is okay if it suits your needs, right?
I don’t get a choice with most things that i buy but your still making excuses. Joe has anger issues too
One day people will wise up
i think im going to go back to why im tiring of nascar.one,de jr. dont get me wrong i like the guy but the commercials , the marketing, and his rabid fans is to much.two,i dont like the aeroblob cars.started with the tauras and now they are all the same.same body,more or less same engines.three, nascar has gone hollywood,nuff said.four,sorry,but i hate toyota.the american companys have contributed alot towards nascar .but now that they are getting kicked in the teeth i think nascar should be there for them by keeping it american.im totally for trade at all levels, but why wont the countries in the orient,japan and china allow american built cars to be sold in there country.in china for example ,if you want to sell an american car over there,the car has to be built there and 80%of the parts for that car has to be made there.like i said im and im sure most people are for trade but its got to be fair.
Hopefully one day Bla Bla Bla will wise up. You don’t have a choice? Please. Talk about making excuses. You always have a choice. I don’t think using the internet or watching TV is a life necessity. But I guess it’s more important to you to keep your lifestyle and sell your beliefs and buy foreign. Since you told someone else to move to Japan for driving a Toyota, why don’t you move to Taiwan or China for using their computers and TV’s? There are custom made TV’s and computers that you can buy that will lessen the amount of foreign involvement somewhat, but are you willing to pay $3000 for a 19″ TV? You’re so concerned about American auto workers — how about all those factory workers YOU put out of business when you bought those foreign made TV’s, clothes and computers? Or are they not important enough that you can just brush them aside so you can have your cheap consumer electronics and apparel. Don’t know if you or your kids play videogames, but I hope you bought them X-Boxes instead of Playstation and Wii’s. At least Microsoft is an American company, right?
By the way, I’ve owned three cars in my lifetime, and 2 of them have been American, including my current one. And I would be willing to make my next car an American one. I care more about getting a solid car and a good value than where the parent company is from.
I shall make every effort NOT TO SUPPORT to sponsors of that jap thing. #182 is why America is in the shambles it is today ” I care more about getting a solid car and a good value than where the parent co is from.” More BS. No one cares any more it’s really sad.
Joe has so much anger and guilt. Sorry if i make you mad and made you ramble about your choices and making excuses about mine.
Some men are like women and have to have the last word.
YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT AND I WON’T RESPOND
first off, you people who like toyotas so much should go back to japan and drive them their. you are lucky your in the USA because in china and japan you cant voice your opinions like here in america. nascar is an AMERICAN sport. all you people who never had to work for your money dont understand what trade is. when a forgien car is sold the money goes right out of the country except the workers wages. the cars are made to forgien standards, with mostly forgien parts.
crash and burn burn you white collar traders. i will be sure to fight extra hard for your right to bad mouth this great country while im fighting in iraq AMERICA F-ING RULES
Mike, go back to grammar school before you go to Iraq. Maybe Kerry was right about people like you, botched joke or not. Also, Bla Bla Bla, i drive a 1998 Lincoln Continental. NASCAR is for possom-eating, cousin-slamming, confederate-flag waving, toothless rednecks. BTW, Joe is a smart guy, listen to him, or better yet, just go kill yourselves.
You bunch of ignorants and uneducated people who know nothing about the car industry. Toyota is going to win the auto world because the big three are chicken out without a good fight. Bring it on Big Three!!
C’mon guys, dont develop a cancer for that. Nascar will get more exposure all arounbd the world whit toyota. IT,S all about $$$
Tyota is still a Jap name no matter where it is built.I can’t believe they let a Cumry run in The NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF STOCK CAR AUTO RACING.(not internatioal).What’s next hundai&yugo ? Go Ford ,Chevy & Dodge.Smash that Cumry into the wall !
Come on guys! Don’t develop a cancer about this… Toyota will gives more credibility to Nascar all around the world. It’s all about $$$$$$$$ + 1 .
Somebody is mad? We are the sellout country and love money more than supporting our companies or our workers. Porterhouse i drive a 1998 Nascar truck and i have a 135 IQ. IF YOU HAVEN’T SERVED IN OUR MILITARY YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT OUR MILITARY I support you Mike and we will rule one day!!!
Chrysler’s Valentine’s Day massacre
The Daimler-Chrysler honeymoon is really over.
Read more:
http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/14/news/companies/pluggedin_taylor_chrysler.fortune/index.htm?postversion=2007021412
The big three U.S. automakers need to produce the products that the “American” consumer wants. We’re all not pick-up and SUV drivers.
Let’s congratulate the Dixie Chicks for winning five Grammys!!!
I am a proud American. I was born in Europe, but this is my country now. I will only buy American BRANDS. I’ve always owned Chevys. Wonderful trucks –never a problem. I’d propose to those NASCAR fans who hate Toyota (I do too) not to leave NASCAR. Instead, keep going and bring banners exposing Toyota for what it is. Toyota is trying to destroy America’s auto industry. For those who talk about using Asian-made TVs, I’d suggest to know your history. The Japanese companies “dumped” products in the USA. That is, the sold their units at a loss here until they drove all the American makers out of business. In the meantime, the same companies were overpricing their customers in Japan to compensate for the losses here. Dumping is a very common practice that the Japanese us.It’s about time that we stop these unfair trade and business practices. Educate the people
Finally a smart answer for those who can’t see what’s going on now in America
Let’s congratulate Patricia instead.
They have done this for years while their goverment helps them destroy our companies and Americans just brag about how good asian cars are
Money rules, for now. I will never again spend one red American cent on anything NASCAR…oops. I meant JAPCAR. Not only will I never spend another cent, I will do everything I possibly can to deride and belittle the sport. If you don’t like that – KMA.
I think it kind of dumb to bring Toyota in NASCAR just because they are out of place: Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Toyota… see what I mean. Plus most people recognize NASCAR as a pure American sport and it kind of sickens people seeing some foriegn brand thrown in the mix. There are tons of other forms of racing out there so why let them over run NASCAR? The money….duh. See how Toyota is plastered all over anything NASCAR now? Plus since when did Toyota have a race ready V8 that looks like a mix of the three other manufactures and has a sound that is just the same as the rest? And why did Michael Waltrips team have to use “a form of jet fuel” in their Camry if they are such a good car? So pretty much any brand could enter NASCAR as long as they can make a V8 because almost every aspect of the body template for each is the same, just throw one the headlight decals and have the shape of the grill on there and they’re ready to go. So really, Toyota will probably not be a blow to NASCAR because they will probably gain new fans that are into Toyotas or whatever but they may lose a few die hard 100% American made type fans. Anywho, another thing is the whole gas mileage thing… well ricers may get good gas mileage, but notice the 4 cylinder or v6 under the hood. Real Americans love performance, meaning gas guzzling V8’s… am I right? Well you can put $10,000 into a ricer and have it run 12’s in the quarter mile… a stock 69 Camaro with a small block could do that. Now spend $10,000 on the Camaro and you could get all the parts to pretty much cut that time in half. But anywho, sorry for changing the subject from NASCAR to drag racing but I just thought I’d say that. P.S – I have a ‘91 Toyota Camry with a 4 cylinder… My 87 Monte Carlo gets with a 305 gets better gas mileage…lol
This site cracks me up. I can’t wait till NASCAR goes under. It’s the most boring sport on the planet. I’d rather watch curling. It sounds like a lot of people here need to take business 101. Patricia needs to take business 101. Has anyone ever heard of Walmart? American company that puts a lot of Americans out of work. But wait, don’t they hire a lot of people? Yeah, illegal immigrants at poverty wages. I guess half of you wouldn’t consider what Walmart does as “dumping” product though.
Some Ford owners hate Chevys. Some Chevy owners hate Fords. Some Chevy and Ford owners hate Dodges. Some have the little Calvin cartoon window sticker wizzing on their “rival U.S. auto emblem”. Someone told my Dad he “can’t get into heaven driving a Dodge.” Some Big Harley owners laugh at Sportster riders. Some Windows PC owers hate all Apple Macs. If my kid wants to race Motocross, I don’t have the “buy American” option. Some NASCAR fans are now boycotting NASCAR? I could go on and on. I have never watched a NASCAR race in my life, but after reading all of the posts above, I will watch the Daytona 500 on Sunday just to see what happens!!
Thanks to all that posted, great reading! I love all of the back and forth commenting. My first car in 1985 was a bone stock 1962 four door Chevy Impala for $500. Man I loved that car! I was born in America and have only been to a 3rd world country once. I’m glad we have the freedom to have so many choices of what to buy! Sorry, I can’t afford to buy anything Caterpillar product, but I sure won’t try to run one off of the jobsite! -And no, I am not related to the famous Dennis Miller.
first off porterhouse, i am not a red neck by all means, nor am i a confederate flag waver. i live in new york. making my living welding, may be a little redneckish, but work hard, 8-10 hours a day behind a helmet. but i earn every cent of the 26.50$ i make. but i have three kids to support, a car payment, and all my bills. my wife left me for “pencil pusher” if you will. im not giving you a sob story, but i a am an american, who works hard for my money to support my family.
my first comments to porterhouse must of been to vulger to post. you shut up about our military too. its because of people like you our country is in the state its in. dont you dare insault me or what i stand for. as for nascar, only true fans or exfans can slander it. and i may not be the smartest person but i sure do know a retard when i see or hear from one. you better hope we never meet. because it wont be pretty. and i have plenty of people behind me!
Mike don’t explain yourself to a left wing liberals like Porterhouse. I am from Kentucky and I share your values and opinions. Don’t sink to his level and give him a platform to ramble his trash. Others don’t care about fair trade laws either. But they can’t silence us with their cheap attacks or make fun of us without looking like total butwipes.
Keep your values and eventually they will go away.
and the big three are not afraid of competition. waltrip had jet fuel in his intake manifold. he needed a little octane boost to keep up with the pack after that poor show at the bud shoot out. all the other toyotas did the same thing but it all got sucked in the cylinder and combusted, leaving no evidence. but other american teams cheated for fear of being showed up by the octane boosting toyotas. also you cant buy toyota crate engines. but you have a huge selection of american engines.
thanks last of the true americans. i get very angry with people like that. but for all you non americans, thats the good part about this country, if you dont like it, you can leave. see how far you can get with your half baked ideas and opinions.
I love how some people here expand horizongs. But you narrow minded morons… get over it. Toyota is the US’s biggest manufacturer or cars. Did I mentioned they DID NOT lay 13,000 people off like Chrysler did?
Oh yeah… I wonder where the Gauges, Bolts, Circuits, Crew Computers, etc. were made??? OH YEAH! MADE IN TAIWAN!
Hey Mike, I don’t think porterhouse’s hubby knows ahe’s on the computer trashing true Americans. If he did I’m sure he’d btch slap her! God bless you and good luck in the desert. Tom, RVN 69-72
plus american stock engines make more horse power than those unproven toyotas. a 350 chevy makes 350 HP right out of the box. more than a special order toyota that needs to use jet fuel to even keep on the lead lap with the big three. you cant even by a toyota racing engine unless you got an extra 50,000 layin around. but you can buy a chevy race motor for about 17000
thanks tom im on a medical leave now. i got my fingers caught between a wheel hub and the wheel bearings and crushed 3 of of my fingers and i cant move 2 of them. im still waiting for my second surgery. they say i might not be able to return for 3 mounths and will need lots of theripy. yishimita ishmoto, what ever that means, american companys cant compete with forgein companys to pay their high but fair and well deserved wages so they lay them off with lower wages.
i think toyotas are great for nascar. it should drive off a whole bunch of you dumb hick rednecks. toyotas will dominate in nascar. GO TOYOTAS
Here’s my take in simple terms. Over the years polititions and stock holders have sold their sole and this nations heart to the devil for money. Now NASCAR, oops… JAPCAR, is following suit. Screw them.
thats all its about is the money, and who sells more cars
hey, does everyone know that there’s free public education in this country? it’s been out for a while.
lets put it this way, we live in a free country. you have the choice to buy a forgein car, no one can tell you not to. and if you choose to be stupid and buy one, and sell out you country you can. but when it comes right down to it, you come one step closer to losing that right by doing so.
eatenhogg, this is about nascar, not walmart and how they come into small towns and how they shut down small stores. but dont they hire illeagel alians. thats the problem at the border. dont mix them 2 up. and wal mart was never meant to be a giant corp.
i just read toyotas are the #1 choice among gays and lesbians. and im not gay bashing either, my cousin is a lesbo. but i am saying anyone who favors toyotas over the big three is gay.
I’m glad Toyota is in Nascar. It’s about time. Toyota has a greater economic impact than any of the U.S. automakers. Some of you guys are just plain dumb. enough said. Your opionions dont even matter to the public eye. You can’t even support your facts. JAPCRAP? You know that’s not true. But who can argue about an American POS? We all know U.S. branded cars are inferior. But by all means don’t let pride get in the way right? People like you make people like me not want to buy American cars because of your hatred and philosophy. Set a good example and quit your whining. You wouldn’t be up in arms if it was a white European manufacturer. Nobody said %$&* when Daimer-Benz bought Chrysler out.
your opinion doesnt mautter eiter
Mike is by far the dumbest dude i’ve ever met. Come meet me, i live in Buffalo. By the way, i’m in Army ROTC and am an independent, conservative here, liberal there. Think for yourself you brainwashed oaf. Take that 26K you earn a year and go to school, get a better job, feed your kids (who you’re probably brainwashing as well). God i hate stupid people.
I love it!!! Even better when Toyota starts winning. Americans love to hang on to “nostalgia” and “tradition” and leave all innovation behind. Look at Harley Davidson. Crap bikes built on ’50s technology.
I’m proud to own a Jap car built entirely in Japan. They build cars that I want to buy!!!
where in buffalo, im about 15 miles south east in elma. maybe we can race. my 67 chevelle with a 502 supercharged big block that makes 632 HP against your old man car. only the strong will survive, so i say shoot them all and let god sort them out.
where in buffalo, im about 15 miles south east in lancaster. maybe we can race. my 67 chevelle with a 502 supercharged big block that makes 632 HP against your old man car. only the strong will survive, so i say shoot them all and let god sort them out.
NASCAR fans who hate Toyota (I do too) not to leave NASCAR. Instead, keep going and bring banners exposing Toyota for what it is. Toyota is trying to destroy America’s auto industry. For those who talk about using Asian-made TVs, I’d suggest to know your history. The Japanese companies “dumped” products in the USA. That is, the sold their units at a loss here until they drove all the American makers out of business. In the meantime, the same companies were overpricing their customers in Japan to compensate for the losses here. Dumping is a very common practice that the Japanese us.It’s about time that we stop these unfair trade and business practices. Educate the people
Name callers like Porterhouse are not the smart ones in American and Joe Import should go to Japan and see what they think of us
Niether one has over a 100 iq and want to talk about Mike
joe import, how much horse power does your car make. 90? 120? 150? is that with nos or jet fuel in the intake
I served from 1972 -1978 Your a wantabe Porterhouse Rotc?
To keep NASCAR “american” All you have to do is dumb down the rules more – I suspect Toyota had to engineer an old fashioned carb. equipped pushrod V8 to get there.
So move the rules back even further so that only flatheads are allowed.
Racing is supposed to improve the breed
Last of the true Americans, you were probably a private or something, don’t even consider you a veteran. Wannabe? I’ll graduate 2nd Lt. then your dumb enlisted ass can salute me. BTW Mike, go shoot yourself. Let’s race! Sure moron. You have carseats for your children in there? Go away. Get wise, you said, “Name callers like Porterhouse are not the smart ones in American.” We are not the smart ones in American? In American huh? Think about that one, i won’t even say anything, i’ll let you figure out what is wrong with that sentence oh wise one.
come on porterhouse, where you live. and i wouldnt dare race with my kids in my car “moron”. you really use that word alot. same with “go shoot youself”. very mature and original come backs. you know you are wrong so you take it out on real americans. i pitty you.
I was an E-6 Staff Sergeant Combat Engineer and I had 2nd Louie’s like you lighting my cigarettes. Went to the NCO Academy. An officer is a gentleman but Sergeant’s make things happen. You are such a looser Porterhouse
Porterhouse is still a child, do you want him defending you. Listen to him
what is nascar doing letting those people drive them in there. they come in and all this drama and problems arise? whats that man.
personally i like Tomos, wish they made a racecar…….Swarm and Destroy!!!!!
tomos suck! the are very under powered
Lots of support for Toyota…Yeah they employee americans. But all the money goes back to Japan. Justify it any way you want it’s a Japanese company. They are hurting American Companies. NASCAR is an American sport born in the south. You like international racing then support F-1 or IRL. Yeah….see how popular they are….
My toyota has a 3.5L V6 that pumps over 300hp. It gets great gas mileage and rides like a dream. If America made a car that came close I’d consider it. But they don’t.
Instead, they bring back the tired old models that look like they did back in the ‘60 (mustang, charger). The new stangs have 4.0L V6 and put out less HP than my Lex.
As far as this crap about our money going back to Japan. Toyota employs americans. Americans can buy their stock on the NYSE and make money.
Competition breeds innovation and I’m glad to see a new blood in NASCAR.
Love the comment (joey) about Toyota dumming down their car with carbs and pushrod engnes. LOL!!
Toyota thinks that they can just waltz in here, open a lot of factories, spend a ton of money, and win our hearts and minds.
Real American companies like Walmart ONLY sell foreign goods when they have NO alternative. At least that’s what the greeter told me when I wanted to buy a TV made in America. Walmart only sells foreign goods when American goods are either not available or are overpriced.
GM, Ford, and that German company that owns Chrysler ONLY make their cars in foreign countries when American workers are either NOT available or are OVERPRICED. That’s what the Ford saleslady told me when she sold me my Mexican sedan.
And that German company that owns Chrysler doesn’t get to take ALL of their profits, when they have them, back to Old Europe. Plenty of US citizens like me have a share or two of stock.
Pretty soon most of our radios, cell phones, and computers will be made overseas , if indeed that hasn’t happened already. Too bad for you young folks … I’ll be dead, and you can stick around to settle up the debts we owe to Japan and China and those other suckers who keep floating us the loans.
And that, my friends, is what this is all about. You get to be pretty friendly with those people who can call in your debts.
A trillion here, a trillion there. Pretty soon we’re talking REAL money.
bullsh*t, what with twin turbos, nos, duel injectors and jet fuel in the intake. and toyota doesnt make v 8s that make 300 with out a performance up grade. and carbs on race cars arent ment to save gas
If Porterhouse is typical of the future leadership of our Army we are in trouble. Attitudes like that come and go every day, thats about all the longer they survive. Had he been with me in 69 his name would surely be on the wall today. He won’t survive.
Mike I,
I’m not saying this is about Walmart. I’m simply commenting on on the idea, that some people her have, that Toyota is taking American jobs. The real fact is that Toyota is employing Americans, paying significant amounts of state and federal taxes, not to mention how they pay American advertising agencies and media to advertise their product. They pay employees salaries, health insurance and benefits. What does Walmart do? Pay minimum wage and make their people work overtime without pay.
What has happened to NASCAR in the last two years? Empty seats? Lack of expansion? The fact is that NASCAR’s popularity has peaked and if the fans are smart, love it or not, they’ll embrace the shakeup and expand the sports popularity. Think pro wrestling. The evil Toyotas against the underdog U.S. cars. Face it you guys, you’re being played for ratings.
us cars arent the under dog. i see what your saying, but if thats what it comes to china and japans gonna own us. and all because people dont understand fair trade.
Eatenhogg – did you see the figures today on the US trade deficit? How many cars does GM/Ford sell in Japan?
Joey,
All they have to do is install a slant 6. the sound of valves tapping will drown out
headsets, allowing the Fords, Chevy’s and Gm’s a significant advantage.
To everyone: I am more American than all of you, because I only buy American made toilet paper … and I have the flag tatooed on my balls…
ok, I tried to say something as dumb as this discussion, but I have failed to reach low enough.
Last of True Americans tried to spell the word “you’re” twice and failed… Porterhouse tried to out-rank someone, and seems only to have succeeded in out-stupiding him (hey if you guys can type like monkeys, I can make up words)…
Then Mike links car preference with sexual orientation… that’s pure genius, all of it.
By the way, jet fuel (being made up of heavier hydrocarbons) is much less volatile than gasoline, so putting jet fuel in a car would actually lower the horsepower, since jet fuel is more like diesel than gasoline… NASCAR won’t say what they found in Waltrip’s car, but some idiot reporter heard the word JET-FUEL, and since jets go real fast, well that must be it …
Some here have said “Jap-Crap”. Well, I worked in Ford service, and later for Honda. My observation from my tiny little world: in the “Jap” cars I worked on, even the steel they use is higher quality than that used in US cars. Really causes me pain to say it, but dammit it was true. While working for Ford, I had a Civic that ran for over 365,000 miles… sold it to a kid who STILL drives it … had a Nissan Pathfinder that ran just past 280,000 miles of my wife’s terrible driving (transmission started to fail, I bailed, it’s probably still going)… while repairing Ford head gaskets and cracked manifolds at around 90k to 130k miles routinely… so from my one-man’s experience, “Jap” cars generally are not crap, at least by this comparison. Which sucks for us, but saying Jap cars are crap or for gay liberals or whatever just makes you guys look stupid. Just say “I hate Jap cars” and leave it at that.
Is it not hypocritical to say the “N” in Nascar makes it “USA only”, but you find no fault in the “World” series allowing only American teams? Well, a USA-only rule wouldn’t kill NASCAR, but I don’t really understand what the big deal is. Really, what is the problem?
Isn’t it also a little hypocritical to harp on folks who buy foreign, when the “American” way is about the free market? Is protectionism American? Doesn’t it bother anyone that US made cars NEED protectionism to compete?
In Australia they love their Holden brand cars, cuz they’re made right there in Aussie land… by GM ! and no one complains…
a ingrediant thats in jet fuel i should have said. my bad
Tom,
Do you understand why the U.S. doesn’t sell cars in Japan? first of all, the U.S. companies don’t bother to research the market. Japanese don’t want huge SUV’s or pickups. Second, they have a third of the population we have. Combine that with companies that understand how to market to Japanese. Third, welcome to the global economy. U.S. workers make three times what other industrialized nations make. Most U.S. companies use parts made in other countries. So who are you talking to? Even GM and Fords are assembled from parts made in Mexico, Taiwan and China. When are you people going to understand that big business is big business and profit rules at the expense of workers. Nobody cares about you, especially the Republicans. They sold us down the river for shares in foreign companies.
its the fact of the matter, nascar is american. not international.
free trade isnt fair if we cant sell our cars over there. but they can import as many as they want. and people are stupid enough to to fall for it.
Mike I,
Mike, Mike, Mike. Your missing the point. There is no such thing as American. America is made of foreign parts. Unless your name is Geronimo or some other native American name, you’re an import. So you think that cars made of parts from other countries counts as American racing? Try Australia. They still race real stock cars, not commercialized pieces of foreign crap.
Eatenhogg – They can’t sell cars in Japan because Japan won’t allow it. Do the research. How many cars in Japan are built with American Parts? How many American cars are built in Japan by Japanese workers? Don’t GM/Ford they doesn’t do market research, or Japanese don’t want SUV’s or pickups. General statements that really say little. Major Corps. like GM/Ford know very well the market in Japan. And they don’t only produce SUV’s and pickups. You and I know they produce many models competative with Japanese models. Harley Davidson can’t sell bikes in Japan to the extent they want, yet wealthy Japanese will pay exorbitant prices here in the States and high shipping fees just to get a Harley. The market is there. And yes, those in Japan who can afford it do want SUV’s. We do agree on the Big Business/Politicians dilemma we find our selves in. They don’t give a rat’s ass about us, only profits. Welcome NASCAR…oops I’m sorry, JAPCAR, to their ranks.
We can sell our cars over there. They just don’t want to buy them. Look at Levi’s, they sell a ton of jeans to Japan. They don’t have a problem. Like I said, American car companies are ignorant to foreign cultures. They don’t market their product effectively. Have you ever been to Japan? If you had, you would understand why American cars don’t sell there.
go america
Tom,
You have a very selective opinion about import tariffs. Look at Brazil and how much they pay to import ethanol into the U.S. All because American farmers can’t produce ethanol as efficiently as Brazil.
The fact of the matter is that foreign governments protect their industries while American politicians sell ours down the river. Don’t blame Japan, blame your own country. Big business rules your life.
yet they can sell gay over rated cars here
sorta like the last Ford Thunderbird?
Hogg – they buy Levi’s because of the name only, and they are probably made in Taiwan besides!! Also, what do you mean there is no such thing as American? The American Indian has only been “native” since their ancestors crossed the Bearing Straits some generations ago. And yes, I have been to Japan. Spent several hours at some American air base several times when flying to and from RVN. I made the round trip 3 times from 1969 to 1972. I didn’t want to be there then, and have no desire to go back now. Don’t really give a sh#t about them, what they want, do, or think. I do, on the other hand, want them out of my life her in my home country, America. The land inhabited by Americans.
by the way, nascar cars are custom made in usa. forged, ground, milled and built by americans right here in the usa. except the toyotas, made in japan, shipped here put in the cars. they cant be tuned or modified in any capacity. thats that!
Tom White Buffalo,
You’re right, Levi’s, another American company sold out. I guess you can trace your ancestry back 3000 years. I think Japan has changed a little since Viet Nam. I’m sure the Japanese really don’t give a crap about another drunk American
soldier either. The land inhabited by Japanese.
Chevys Rule, toyotas SUCK. eatenhogg doesnt know anything, nor does joe import. mike, stay on one topic and you will sell over better.
Hogg – not sure were you are going w/ this post. I can trace my ancestry back exactly 2 generations. I knew my mother’s family. She passed away in 1974. My father was killed in a B-29 in Feb 1951, before I was born. Never knew him or anything about his family. I do know my surname is of Irish origin, my mothers of German origin. I think Japan has changed quite a bit since World War II. You will have to explain the intent of your “drunk American soldier” remark, it’s lost on me.
all yous that dont like america can leave.
Tom,
Really? I guess nascars can’t be modified either? No piston boring or honing, no new
cams. No intake or exhaust mods. Do yo think Toyota would enter NASCAR without a state of the art facility in this country?
Lucy – there’s an old saying you would do good to heed… “It’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your stupid than to open it and prove it.”
Tom,
Sorry, my mistake. I ass(umed) if your were in Japan in the late 60’s/early 70′ that your were either on r/r or in transit back CONUS. No offense. Not many civies in Japan during that time.
Dead Head – I think you’re the only one on this site who’s in control!!
Hogg – Clarification. I served 3 tours(almost) in Nam. US Army. 2 w/ 1/82 Arty, 23rd ID(AMERICAL), 1 w/ 1/21 Arty, 1st Cav Div, A.M. Was seriously injured 29 MAR 72, 3 months into 3rd tour. My time in Japan was in transit, both ways. Total time spent in Japan was probably about 8 – 10 hours. Never mixed w/ them, never wanted to. I still expect an explanation of the “drunken Soldier” reference. PS – did take 2 RR’s to Bankok – LOVED IT!! Dead Head was probably there too!(Just a joke guys)
eatonhogg, you must not of heard it straight from the horses mouth. get a connection, you might learn somdthing.
the engines are limited to certain mods. all of them. toyotas tech team is not as advanced as the big threes. so toyota can only do so much before it has to be sent back. but we do have the upper hand because we are time proven. and that really means alot in a time proven sport. but team toyota has admitted speed problems.
hey porter horse, take it easy on him. he is in our military man. you cant talk about our service men and woman like that. you should be ashamed of youself. hit the pipe man, you might calm down a bit.
Look out boys, PorterHouse is lookin’ for a loin!! CYA!
eatonhogg, its CYLINDER, not piston. and boring and honeing cant be done hours before a race. to big a job. they change gears and A/F ratios mostly before qualifying. after post qualifying inspection you dont touch nothing in that area. bitch
Hey Mike, you know how to bore a piston? Whisper sweet nothings in it’s rod!
HHHAAAaaaaaaaa……..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Hogg – still waiting.
Dead – Do the dew. Do a shotgun, man?
tom, didnt get the last one.
HHHhhhewpppPPP good one dude…….
man, i got to go to work at 6. i should probly sleep eventully.
good idea dead head
Mike – I thought I’d make a joke while we wait for Hogg and PorterHouse to respond. You and I both know you don’t bore a piston, you bore a cylinder. My joke was almost as boring as them two. In fact, I think it put them both to sleep! Just you, I, and DeadHead left! Hogg aint got the balls to clarify his “drunk American Soldier” remark, and PorterHouse is already down at the gay bar.
who needs sleep man. mike must have a family or something
Dead – “eventually” being the key word. Don’t sweat the small stuff, sleep is only a five letter word. If you late now, you’ll be late later!
tom,i see.theyshould get there sh*t together before they act like they know it all. dead head, i think its porterhouse, not porter horse. but it is funny. isnt porterhouse a type of steak
i think dead head passed out
Porterhouse is generally considered the best cut of beef. That and Fillet Mignon. They both breath arrogance, contempt, and a pompas ass. PorterHouse thinks he’s going to be a big cheese once he completes ROTC. The common term in the real world for a 2nd Lt is “butter bar”. Need I say more! If he’s lucky he’ll end up in a unit with a E-7 who’ll set him straight. If not, they’ll just frag his ass.
he thinks hes a big shot
Naw, Dead’s just taking a deep hit!
Yeah, he might be the big man on campus, but reality awaits him!
Mike, I think we shut them all down and put DeadHead to sleep. I’m going to call it a night and check in again tomorrow. You take care. Hope your hand gets better!!!!!!!! Tom
im done for tonight. this thing is slow as waltrips toyota. gotta do a defrag and virus scan and all that other time consuming sh*t. probly should be done sometime. tell eatonhogg to go to a mechanic school and learn the differance between a piston and cylinder. semper fi
roger
As far as NASCAR is concerned, I guess I don’t see why Toyota can’t run. Let’s face it, the cars have nothing to do with “stock” cars anyway. They are purpose built racing machines. Any resemblance to real street automobiles is for effect only.
I don’t like Toyota much. It is a foreign company whether they assemble in the US or not. Notice I said assemble. The fact is that Toyota’s are made of parts made elsewhere, and that is where the economic value is. The history of government subsidies from the Japanese goverment and trade restrictions has been unfair. The thing that really hacks me though is the fact that Americans have given up on US manufacturers and don’t give them a chance. I own a lot of US made cares today. (like
I don’t own one with under 100K on it. The highest mileage one is at about 230K. American cars ARE quality today. I have a 2001 with 135k on it that has never had any service accept brake jobs. Not even spark plugs. It runs like a top. There just aren’t a lot of bad cars made anywhere anymore. When you buy a foreign car you are feeding foreigners. I would rather feed Americans and keep from having to pay more in taxes to support the entitlements that they will require if they wind up unemployed. Give and American car a change!
I think this old song called “Working for the Japanese” by Ray Stevens says it all!!!
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/window/media/player/0,,168986-7191557-WMLO,00.html
Buy it, download it!!!
YOU BUNCH OF HILLBILLY GOATS ARE JUST MAD BECOUSE THE BEST SELLING CAR IN THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO KICK SOME CRAPPIE AMERICAN MADE TRASH.MY FIRST CAR WAS AMERICAN MADE IT GAVE ME MORE PROBLEMS THAN IT WAS WORTH .AFTER THAT I GOT A TOYOTA BEST CAR I EVER HAD.I HAVE TOYOTAS NOW AND ALWAYS WILL.TOYOTA NUMBER 1 AND ALWAYS WILL BE.
BY THE WAY TOYOTA IS THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPEN TO NASCAR EVEN THOUGH I THINK NASCAR SUCKS.
man am i burnt out. where is everyone dude.
dont know grateful dead dude. i think porterhouse commited suicide. hey, if you are ever “truckin up to buffalo,” stop by. maybe we can find porterhouse and eatonhogg and teach them something. we might run into tom and he can give us a hand.
Homosexual jokes, i’m not gay but you are doing nothing but show the bigotry and hatred that the ignorant Americans can generate. Sigh, this forum is boring, just you hicks using it as an instant messenger program. BTW, i live in North Buffalo, on commonwealth off of hertel. Do your worst. Farewell nascar lovers.
Hey, glad to see everyone is awake again! I myself was up at the crack of noon, as usual.
NARUTO – thats OTURAN backwards, as in OUGHT TO RAN!
by hockey rink on tacoma. my friend lives in the brick house right in front of the rinks driveway. meet me there at noon sunday. walk in and go to the door at the top of the first stair case. if i dont open the door, ask for steve. my name isnt mike, thats what everyone calls me and use i use it more because my birth name sucks. dont be late nancey boy. no guns or gangstaz either.
Boy, you guys are really at each others necks! Mike l(or steve), did you go to the lincoln welding course in Ohio in 99? You remind me of someone that was in my class. Also, the offical welder of nascar is lincoln. Can’t have a car with out a welder? So they can’t have a car with out an American made welder now can they? The sport revolves around the USA, not japan. Keep nascar American. Lets show them toyotas what we are made of!!!
porterhouse, better yet lets meet behind the hockey rink. and we can race down delaware if you have any balls! or is there to much traffic and stop lights? than when its said and done i will smoke your a*s in a drinkin contest at kellys corner. or are you too much of a light weight. thats the one thing i missed when i was in the corps. drinking is my real game and i am dam good at it.
no, not in 99 lincoln welder. it was 00. missed you by a year. went for tig, stick and mig. mainly use stick though. i used to weld for the town on plow trucks and the occasional case tractor.
As a european (Dutch), very interesting to read. I think this discussion might turn into a civil war for you again.. Saying that, the japs have outdone us in quality building cars, copying everything and making better parts. Let them do that. They will never beat us (Europe and the USA)in design and new ideas… That will be our forte. As far as Nascar, I like NHRA much better, that is the REAL american motorsport! Nothing like watching Dragracing sipping a fine French Chardonnay.
Mike Waltrips favorite tune!!
http://dabble.com/node/7661138
That song is really about wanking!
eatenhogg, this is what you say:
eatenhogg says:
February 14, 2007 at 7:40 pm
“This site cracks me up. I can’t wait till NASCAR goes under. It’s the most boring sport on the planet. I’d rather watch curling. It sounds like a lot of people here need to take business 101. Patricia needs to take business 101. Has anyone ever heard of Walmart? American company that puts a lot of Americans out of work. But wait, don’t they hire a lot of people? Yeah, illegal immigrants at poverty wages. I guess half of you wouldn’t consider what Walmart does as “dumping” product though.”
First of all, if you hate Nascar, why are you here??
As for your claims that I need to take a course:
I took BUS 101 and got an A. You, au contraire, are an ignorant. There is a big difference between dumping practices and controlling the market. Walmart has grown this much because is able to obtain massive discounts from its suppliers due to volume ordering. Actually, Walmart has the power to “force” reduced prices since a supplier can’t afford to lose Walmart as a customer. To control monopolies that can unfairly control market prices and destroy competition, we have laws. They don’t always work.
Dumping is an illegal business practice and requires -most of the time- the collaboration of a government. Japan has conquered many markets like this, and as I said in my previous posting, that is how the American TV industry was killed. The Japanese auto companies started conquering the market here by dumping cars. That is a fact. Now they don’t need to that but the damage has been done. What they do now is taking advantage of two things:
1. Japan’s government subsidizing health care and other labor costs.
2. An American culture that thinks that if it is foreign, it must be better.
People are free to buy any car they want. However, do not rejoice when our car industry suffers because of your choices. And know that eventually someone will have to pick up the tab if any of our companies goes under. Who do you think will pay for the expenses of all those being supported by the pension and health-care funds? Uncle Sam! Who is Uncle Sam? All of us, paying more and more taxes. Remember that when if it happens, and then remember that most of the Toyota profits are now subsidizing Japanese citizens. You want a Japanese auto? Fine. Live with your conscience.
patricia, that is the smartest and most truthful thing ive heard in a long while. people really dont realize what buying forgein does to our country and that sums it all up. glad to see more than a handful of people know the truth.
So if I buy a Harley, can I live with my conscience knowing that all of the Japanese parts on it are also going to subsidize Japanese citizens?
“You want a Japanese auto? Fine. Live with your conscience.” That has got to be the most evil, disgusting, twisted and disturbing thing I have ever read in my life. It just makes me want to puke. People in America are online arguing about buying Toyotas and the fact that they are in NASCAR? Let’s be concerned about more important issues in America, like the fact that we are one “dirty bomb” away from Martial Law.
I do enjoy dead head’s input…smoke up!! ___:
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I hate the Idea of Toyota in Nascar. First are Politicians give away our jobs with there free trade act .Then they brain wash everyone on how bad American cars are. And now that Toyotas are built here that makes them American {WRONG!!!!}we are simply the monkeys assembling the pieces that they ship to us .Almost every nut, bolt, and part, is shipped from japan for us monkeys to assemble. And now the big 3 are on the verge of collapsing. So for all of you believing this is a good thing your wrong its just another piece of America that I’m not happy about giving up.
you dont think americas economy isnt important. well its just as important as being one “dirty bomb” away from martial law! and keeping nascar american is very imortant to our country so we can still be america and not “japmerica”. (i know, it sucks but its all i could come up with. plus america and japan are meant to be sepperate, they dont mix)
I have owned Motocross bikes my entire life, they just happened to be made in Japan, only because there are no U.S. companies at all, whatsoever. Hey go to any Motocross gathering, race, event etc. and start running your mouth saying backward and pathetic b.s. logic like “japcrap.” Leave the house once in a while, we live in a global economy. Willie G. even admits that Harley’s are built from “offshore” supplies. Carroll Shelby used to race for Toyota, he is a true legend and none of you NASCAR heads know this or bring it up. Go run your mouth to Carroll Shelby and see how far it gets you! He is known for taking an already popular “British” AC Ace roadster and putting a Ford small block in it and actually racing an automobile the way it is engineered to perform on pavement: accelerating, braking, turning left, turning right. Go watch something other than Home Depot/M&M/Bud billboards going around in a circle at 200mph, reminds me of morning traffic…BORING!!! Watch Speed channel and mix up NASCAR with some MotoGP and then check out some AMA Supercross and then maybe some F1 and then watch some AMA Superbike racing. -and yes the “A” in AMA stands for “American.” Get your heads out of the sand and stop hating everything that’s not “American,” it is disrespectful to Mother Earth and all of humanity. We’re all immigrants here in the U.S, go ask your grandparents where their grandparents were born and you might realize how lucky you are to be online complaining about such utter nonsense. Go live in a third world country for six months and you will forget all about such petty things as Toyota in NASCAR. You will run off of that plane so fast and kiss the ground before you even see the light of day. Everyone posting anything here should post their age to show the relevance to the content of their comment, I did.
Ricky Carmichael and a whole lot of U.S. AMA Motocross racers make hundreds of millions of dollars racing on U.S. soil paid by Suzuki, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, along with the enormus industry that surrounds it. I admit, I feel a bit confused when I see a Toyota Camry in NASCAR. The retail version is a quality automobile, no doubt about it. Let’s all gather around the TV and watch the Dayton 500 while we celebrate capitalism at it’s best!! I agree that Toyota and NASCAR “don’t mix” for sure, but the U.S. and Japan/China/Taiwan/Singapore/Germany/Italy/U.K. etc. are not meant to be “separate.” Come on dude, when the Hard Drive in your computer goes up and you have to run down to BestBuy and buy a new one, turn the box over and see where it is a “product of.” We can’t possibly make every product available in the U.S. Your “American” Flag was probably made in China along with each and every one of your Christmas decorations by communist prisoners that can’t even voice their own political views.
Check out this pic of a multi-millionaire and if you have any compassion in you, it might actually give you a chill!
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Walmart…Waltrip, what’s the difference? I shop at Target and watch real World Class Motorsports. Walmart and NASCAR go hand in hand. I’ll watch the Daytona 500 regardless of who’s in it! Then in March I’ll watch the Dayton 200…look it up! Even bigger news than Toyota in NASCAR and the NASA chick driving 900 miles in a diaper and who’s the daddy of the late great Anna Nicole…Britney Spears shaved her head, holy s#%t balls!
you people dont get what nascar is about do yous? it is an american sport. if toyota should be in nascar we might as celebrate july 4th by sending japan our money. its what you do when buy toyotas. and we should only mix to a certain point. yes,forgien trade is good, but when toyota puts the big 3 out, it isnt a good mix or fair trade. as far as MY flag, it was proudly made in the USA of US made materials. very few people understand what american means. we live in america, we have the right to complain
mike man, were have you been. did she really shave her head. we missed tom last night.
So would you not buy, burn or boycott an American flag that has a “Made in China” sticker on it (I see them all the time). It is merely a symbol of alligiance to your country, not a car. Tell us, “you people” as you say, what it means to be an American (which you don’t even begin the word with a capital A, show SOME respect. A real American would never start the word in lower case. Toyota shouldn’t be in NASCAR, that would be a down grade for Toyota and they will NEVER put the big 3 out, trust me. You should stop worrying and being so angry, I bet you think about Toyota in NASCAR all day and night, see they have gotten into your brain…you might even find yourself one day at the Toyota dealership buying yourself one of them there new Big Bad 2007 Tundras!
Britney looks like an alien now!
-hit some ___: like dead head and mellow out, life is not permanant.
Harvey Feltersnatch:If you imply that we should not be concerned about Toyota and Nascar, why are you here??? Go to a political website.
As for your comments:
Ha! You probably don’t read at all. I guess you just watch TV and shows like Fox’s 24, and that explains your paranoia about being a ” “dirty bomb” away from Martial Law.”
Grow up, Harvey.
By the way, no offense since you may not be one, but your tirade sounds very gay: “That has got to be the most evil, disgusting, twisted and disturbing thing I have ever read in my life.”
Right out of a girly Broadway play.
Thata boy slater go jump in your nissan AND DO YOUR PART. Some day it’ll be your job .Our politicians don’t care, Neither do you. My parents were born here there parents were born here.And I’m sick of being taken advantage of . First it was TV’s ,then Furniture ,Then steel, now cars. A country that doesn’t make anything is nothing. Whats next???.So excuse me if I wish they would stay out of my NASCAR THAT I GREW UP LOVING .And BY THE WAY my father was a Moto cross & scrambles champion on a BSA ,and I’m proud of that .And I watch F1,drag racing,V8 Supercross from Austrailia I like it all but it all has its place and Toyota does not belong in NASCAR
quote: “we live in america, we have the right to complain”
what the…. man we live in the U.S.A. the greatest country on the planet, the leader of the free world, we have NOTHING to complain about. do you have running water, electricity, beer, food on store shelves, gasoline on every corner, internet at home, beer, television in every room, heat, paved roads, jobs available everywhere, cable TV, beer, fast food, beer….etc?
you cant really be serious with lame replies like that? how i stummbled on this stupid site and actually read the weak posts on it, that’s it i’m gonna smack myself in the nu%s with a rubber mallet for this
never in my life would i by a toyota “truck”. their biggest is a little half ton. and they have no balls. i will stick with my chevy 3500. lot better than that old lady truck. and America is not a word, it is a name. and i some times i dont like to make the extra effort to press shift because im doing this with one hand. so dont throw stones. my other one was crippled serving my country in iraq. im good with the country for my loss serving her. she will forgive me till im better.
we are complaining about toyota ruining nascar, not about our luxuries. nascar is all American, and if you dont agree, i dont know what else to say. and im out of beer.
Wade,
I don’t own a Nissan, what are you talking about. …it’ll be my job? I agree Toyota should not be in NASCAR. I posted about the term “japcrap” and you’re jumpin all over me about furniture and steel… sorry man. I do care, more than you’ll ever know. My father raced BSA’s and Triumphs. Take care.
Slater
Evening everybody. Harvey – what is important to America? Being fearful of some idiot group/ideal? Let me quote Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence(I’m sure you have never seen this before!) – “… all experience hath shown , that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms which they are accustomed.” We have put up with our politicians and corporations selling our country for profit long enough! I draw the line here. NASCAR is AMERICA! If they want to change the name to IASCAR they can do so. But we all know this is about more money. The same as NFL requiring people to buy their network. Screw them!!!
Mike – I got beer. How long does it take you to get to Wisconsin? Bring Dead Head and Patricia with you. We’ll party all night and sleep right through Daytona.
man, this is how i get treated after serving my country for the rights of me and all on this page? maybe i should just crawl into a hole and die? fu*k that. anyone who doesnt like what i say can leave. or stay. once again you have the right. but what a way to talk to a s
live pretty far away man. that would be cool though. people can be so disrespectful. it kind of crazy. i wonder if dead heads still up.
thanks for your service brother
I have an idea. We all know this about money, and money talks. Whet if an organized boycott could be accomplished and pick one or two races this year to make a statement. What if they had a race and no body came!
this site takes so long to load on my computer. think its time for a new one. maybe ill start an American computer company made from American parts. call it fu*k toyota computer corp. i dont think i can watch the race with them toyotas in it. did you read the comments from earlier. what idiots.
Mike, I know I’m not going to watch the race. I am a man of conviction. I will not spend another red AMERICAN cent on NASCAR, …oops I meant JAPCAR, until toyota and any other foreigner is ran off. Iv’e been talking about this for a couple years now. Ever since it was announced “they” were comming. Now I.m going to do it. There are a lot of other venues I can support. Most notably local stock car racing. That’s were it all began. We have a local track that has grown substantially in the last few years due to the infusion on Kenseth’s name and support(he’s a local boy). His dad is heavily involved. He and Stewart raced each other there late last season. I can live without NASCAR, oops I meant JAPCAR, for a while.
want to go half with me for a pizza? got a taste for it
You bet your ass Toyota in NASCAR bothers me, and a hell of a lot of others as well! Kiss another fan good buy! Guess Toyota was just too ambitious and had a lot of money to through into the NASCAR kitty. Heck they will prolly leap to number one in world wide sales if we keep turning our backs on Chevy, Chrysler, and Ford!
Yea, with extra cheese and lots of beer!! How’s the hand doing?
just stopping in for a second to see what i missed dudes. gotta go pick up my lady. make sure to talk about the dead man.
Ronnie – you got it right, it’s all about money. Your invited to the party! Mike will pick you up.
Kool deal! Hit me with a large pepperoni… I gues what really pisses me off about the NASCAR and TOYOTA romance is having to watch the pit crew run about like a bunch of idiots working on the rice burners, ur um I mean Toyblowtas with friggin chopsticks! BOOOOOOOOOOO!
pretty bad. cant even take out my new snowmobile. dumped all that money in and cant use it. but my kids put 426 miles on it this season. sometimes i just want to cut off my hand. but i wasnt paying attention so its my fault. but sh*t happens.
good one ronnie, toyblowtas. them poor goodyear tires. must suck to never being able to excced to their speed limitations.
cant belive its been so cold up here for the past mounth. hasnt gone above freezing in 28 days. steak boy must of lost what ever balls he had and decided to go back to gay dating sites.
pizzas here. they even delivered the beer. thats what i like about the pizza place out here. told them to just bring the whole 30 pack. can up to 43 bucks.
Sounds good. Hey, its supposed to be in upper 30’s here next week. Going to have to break out the picnic basket!
its gonna warm up here monday. you here about the october 13 storm we had here in western ny. that was crazy.
I’m Just saying, how funny, everyone in America love the big 3 but what have they done leave to other countries to make there cars..And what’s funny is GM has a car and had cars made by Toyota like the Pontiac Vibe(Toyota Matrix) Geo Prizm(Toyota Corolla)even the almighty Duramax engine on their trucks are made by the Japaneses Isuzu.. some people need to start reading what their engines labels say..Also Ford has used Japanese parts on there vehicles like the Probe with the 2.0L Mazda engine..Dodge(Mitsubishi) all I’m saying is that the big 3 have had to use the Japanese materials to once make quality cars….anyways let’s not be ignorants the big 3 are leaving thousands of americans without jobs and taking them to other countries let’s keep in mind without people working how are they going to buy stuff and keep this country runing…Toyota is making jobs in this country, true the money they get for each unit they sale doesn’t stay here but the one each employee makes does plus they got good benefits.. Right know Canadians and Mexicans are making money from companies that should have americans working for them because thanks to use and our pride of US brand have taken them to the top but they are not so intelligent after all because the money we could be getting from them for our labor to their companies we could be spending buying their products but we can’t..that’s why they keep going down hill..I know for some of you is hard but you need to open your eyes they are not giving us nothing in return for keeping them runnig so f*ck them….That’s why the economy of the US is f*ck but oh well again I’m just saying…I think Toyota should be welcome in Nascar is only a sport.. I mean if Baseball is so American well that’s at least what we say why its there so many player from other countries??? because we suck at everything so we need foreign people to teach us how to do it right….
If u people are REAL FANSSS u gonna watch it no matter what… because if u think americans are the best… why not let toyota be a fool, but of u r so mad and scare it might be because u know toyota could beat the american easily…
Dumping is an illegal business practice and requires -most of the time- the collaboration of a government. Japan has conquered many markets like this, and as I said in my previous posting, that is how the American TV industry was killed. The Japanese auto companies started conquering the market here by dumping cars. That is a fact. Now they don’t need to that but the damage has been done. What they do now is taking advantage of two things:
1. Japan’s government subsidizing health care and other labor costs.
2. An American culture that thinks that if it is foreign, it must be better.
People are free to buy any car they want. However, do not rejoice when our car industry suffers because of your choices. And know that eventually someone will have to pick up the tab if any of our companies goes under. Who do you think will pay for the expenses of all those being supported by the pension and health-care funds? Uncle Sam! Who is Uncle Sam? All of us, paying more and more taxes. Remember that when if it happens, and then remember that most of the Toyota profits are now subsidizing Japanese citizens. You want a Japanese auto? Fine. Live with your conscience.
HEY FORMER SGT T. E. JONES JARHEAD.ATLEAST THE TOYOTAS ARE BUILD IN AMERICA BY AMERICANS AND NOT CANADA AND MEXICO LIKE FORD AND CHEVY
Just saying post no.359 says it best.All you red necks and hicks should read it.Get somebody to help you with the big words.
maybe you people should read. if people bought American, then the jobs would stay here because the big 3 would be able to pay to keep the jobs here. talk to a uaw worker. they will tell you the samething, after all it is what they work for. and it is more truthful coming from them rather from a bunch of office workers just looking for a fight because they know its the forgien car markets fault for the lose of jobs sent overseas. get your facts straight. waltrips 40 th. so how good is that? oh wait, its bad
half way thru the daytona 500, im hungry for pizza. i think i’ll order some dominoes. oops, they support a jap car. i guess i will get my pizza somewhere else.
We are talking about money pure and simple. These jap car owners can preach all they want but obviously failed economics in high school, WHERE DO THE CAR SALE PROFITS GO? It is NOT the USA. AND We can’t just pick in japcrap cars. Lets bring back Winston Cup and the old rules. If Detroit doesn’t build it you can’t race it period!!!!
More excuses from Chuck for not supporting American companies and American workers
Lets compare apples with apples
I don’t even know why Toyota is wasting money being involved in such a stupid redneck game. Toyota is the most successful automaker and has no need to impress a bunch of stupid redneck, aka NASCAR fans. It should save that money to keep producing more quality cars that will kill GM, Ford and Chrysler to extinction.
Anti-rednecks is brainwashed from eating too much rice and driving overrated made from our scrap junk.
Hope he doesn;t lose his job from the practice of dumping from the Japs
If the “World Series” is SUCH an American tradition, then you can’t call it world series, can you? You ain’t got nobody else from the rest of the world representin’! Why don’t y’all tell those “Jap” baseball players to go home if baseball is such an “American” tradition? The next thing you know the red necks would be putting on white robes and ask the NBA to get rid of all the non-white players. Let’s get that Yao Ming dude back to China so he can help stock our Walmarts with cheap Chinese imports which most of you happily buy daily from just about every single retailers out there. Take a look around you people, we live in a GLOBAL economy!
comment #48 is an ignorant redneck
Lucky Slevin is just plain stupid about economics global means fair trade and there is nothing about fair trade with these Asians
HA HA # 48 IS SMARTER THAN YOU THINK?
Just worded it the wrong way. he’s thinking what plenty of us are saying
This is how the Japanese destroyed our television market in the 70’s. Does anyone care?
Dumping is an illegal business practice and requires -most of the time- the collaboration of a government. Japan has conquered many markets like this, and as I said in my previous posting, that is how the American TV industry was killed. The Japanese auto companies started conquering the market here by dumping cars. That is a fact. Now they don’t need to that but the damage has been done. What they do now is taking advantage of two things:
1. Japan’s government subsidizing health care and other labor costs.
2. An American culture that thinks that if it is foreign, it must be better.
People are free to buy any car they want. However, do not rejoice when our car industry suffers because of your choices. And know that eventually someone will have to pick up the tab if any of our companies goes under. Who do you think will pay for the expenses of all those being supported by the pension and health-care funds? Uncle Sam! Who is Uncle Sam? All of us, paying more and more taxes. Remember that when if it happens, and then remember that most of the Toyota profits are now subsidizing Japanese citizens. You want a Japanese auto? Fine. Live with your conscience.
Comment #373 is a cousin humping redneck
whats your iq ha ha mine is 145 loser!!!
I am puzzled by someone who’d take my post (#319) and re-publish it under a different name (#361, 374). While I am thankful that this person seems to really appreciate my comments, please do not use my words without quotes and sourcing them.
NASCRAP racing sucks,it’s the worse form of motor racing on the planet.
I don’t understand why Toyota would
lower themselves to this form of piss poor hillbilly entertainment.
Well since they are in it now,I guess they will make a point to the big crapola 3 car makers that they still and will always produce garbage that nobody wants to buy.
Toyota is a good company
the are building a giant factory in indiana and they already have many other factories in the us
omg you people make me laugh. To start with, if the “N” in NASCAR is for National, then all of you Americans should get out of the NHL and stop playing hockey. It’s a CANADIAN game. Same goes for the NLL. And, the “B” in NBA stands for basketball, invented by a Canadian. So if you have a problem with Toyota being in NASCAR, then maybe you should stop supporting other sports as well. There are many non-Americans playing in MLB (in fact, the Toronto Blue Jays won the World Series…twice) so you better stop watching that too.
As with most of my generation, I have greater wants, larger needs, and better education than those before me. With all this comes a greater salary.
With my greater salary, in so much as “stuff” comes more luxurious materialistic products/goods/services. Sadly, my USA can no longer compete on the world market in the production/manufacturing industry. All those made in China labels attest to this fact. Additionally, my Hemi Charger IS NOT built here. My bride’s Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS IS NOT built here either. My stick built house was framed by Mexican migrant workers. Furthermore, the brick masons did not speak english either.
The people of this country have allowed her to stumble. Now is the time to pick up our values, realign our children, which is our last hope of American Pride, and push for our core values.
If we don’t, the fact of the matter is clear. Foreign automobiles are being built here, while American automobiles are being built outside.
So, now the question becomes: Why should Ford, Chevy and Dodge be allowed to compete in NASCAR? None of which, produce a current model on US soil!
cufishing i agree with the last part you said 100%.
80% of the parts in that new Chevy truck you bought are made in China and Korea. The new Toyota Tundra you didn’t buy because it isn’t “American made”? Practically everything in it was made in Texas. It’s a better-built truck, too.
The Big 3 laid off tens of thousands of American workers last year. Toyota is hiring hundreds of Americans every day.
Kinda puts a damper on the obnoxiously racist, “jap-crap rice-burner” arguments, doesn’t it? Toyotas are more American than most of the so-called “American” cars you see on the road.
Get over your racism and enjoy the racing! I say, bring ‘em on, and bring on the Hondas and Subarus, too! They both have serious racing divisions.
Cufishing and the other ignorants. Read this and stop making empty and false statements. Is Toyota paying you for postings?:
“Detroit’s congressional allies of GM, Ford Motor Co. and DaimlerChrysler AG’s Chrysler Group say it’s not jealousy. They say Japanese automakers are exploiting an artificially weak yen to make their products more affordable.
U.S. Rep. Sander Levin, D-Royal Oak, said he is considering new legislation aimed at pressuring Japan and other countries to stop manipulating their currencies to boost exports.
Japanese automakers “are importing the more expensive cars to the U.S., and getting the benefit of the yen imbalance,” Levin said. Japan has “a clear-cut set of policies, and we don’t have any.”
In the briefing to other Toyota managers, Sudo cited political and social risks under the heading of “external challenge.” The report, left unsecured on computers at the company’s Georgetown, Ky., complex, said Toyota could come under fire for:
• Selling vehicles to U.S. customers with high proportions of foreign-made parts. Less than half of all content of Toyota vehicles sold in the United States is made in the United States or Canada.
• Not including enough minority-owned businesses in its supplier base. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, leader of the Rainbow PUSH activist group, has asked Toyota to improve diversity efforts.
• Leaving a vacuum in U.S. communities as GM, Ford, Chrysler and their suppliers shed plants and workers.
“A Democratic Congress, particularly those members with districts hit by Big 3 and supplier plant closings, may call for further oversight of the industry and Japanese companies in particular,” the presentation said.
Toyota’s concerns are not far off the mark. With a new Democratic majority in Congress, Michigan’s Democratic lawmakers have pledged to press harder on trade and other issues where Detroit automakers say Japanese companies have an unfair advantage.
Last week, two Democratic House members from Michigan — Levin and Rep. John Dingell of Dearborn — sent a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson, urging him to press Japan over the value of the yen during a meeting of world economic powers.
Dingell, Levin and two other congressmen said in their letter to Paulson that a weak yen had helped Japanese automakers increase their imports by more than 30% in 2006. Detroit automakers and their congressional allies say the yen bestows up to a $4,000-per-vehicle benefit for Japanese automakers.”
The full article in:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070212/BUSINESS01/302120001
Toyota didn’t do so good yesterday in the 500. They better have a good plan for the rest of the year if they hope to have any top 10s let alone a win. Chevrolet pretty well dominated this weekend.
@Patricia
You are bringing national politics into this discussion. Don’t go there!
My first rebuttal would include the NAFTA, which is the precursor to what other than just the Japanese are currently doing to us.
I encourage you to display your anger, but I ask that you direct that anger to the guilty.
My second refute would include the WTO, which was a product of the clinton administration, but was strongly supported by the republican congress.
Those are the culprits of your article, and those politicians are the responsible participants. Thus so, it is a plethora of international bodies who are benefiting from these two US policies, as opposed to the single issue approach from the source you cited.
If you were to mix politics within this discussion, you would be faced with a rebuttal that the NAFTA (Republican) and the WTO (Republican Supported) were passed and re-enforced with Republican efforts. Thus the ensuing battle would create a morgue effect on the Democrat politicians you have ever so pointed us to read about. Thus turning this into a political debate over why two Democratic politicians from Michigan want the Republican Treasury Secretary to investigate a Republican policy.~Lady, that’s just politics!
To answer your asked question, No. Furthermore, to answer your underlying question, registered red card holding elephant.
you people just dont get it? why are the big 3 laying people off, because makers like toyota sell cars so cheap anyone can afford them. then people dont want to buy American and the big 3 dont bring in any money. so to still be able to make cars they need to find cheaper places to make cars and parts for them. talk to a real uaw worker. or better yet get a job from the big 3 then you understand all of it and learn something about fair trade.
you got to be kidding me. a series that changes the rules BETWEEN RACES! cannot be ruined by any manufacturer who wants to enter. this ’sport’ is as corrupt as Boxing!
@mike:
I’ve got it! Really, I do.
Now get this. Your precious UAW is the CAUSE of this relocation. Your hated Toyota is the EFFECT!
Clearly, I do see it. Problem is, I don’t know how to fix it, swiftly and legally that is!
On a low-blow, what are your investment options within the RenCen?
I drive a black 2005 Honda Accord, I like to pretend it’s a black Monte Carlo. (we miss you Dale Earnhardt) I won’t buy a Chevy because GM can’t get a grip a and build a good car. I had GM’s in the past, they were always in the shop at the dealer.
However, seeing Toyoda in Nascar does hit a raw nerve.
But then again, all the cars look the same to me, There is nothing stock about the cars in Nascar today. I wish it was like the old days any fool can tell if it was a Dodge, Ford or GM.
omg! i’m not surprise of the ignorant stereotype hicks around. They really sound so insecure. =)
If all you Toyota lovers would read Patricia statements and verify them you might just learn what they are doing to our auto industry. Blame it on Ford, Gm and even Chrysler. The blame lies with Americans who simply don’t care about nothing but themselves and how they look in their foreign car.
Stand up and stop complaining and help American companies and our workers. Try defending us instead of what Toyota does or doesn’t do. Now they are trying I say trying again to get more of the market share of trucks. Statistics don’t lie Ford has been the top seller for over 30 years in a role. With your help Ford,GM will go broke and who will pay in the long run. You the ones that are defending Toyota and others.
I am happy that Toyota got into NASCAR…just as happy as I am about my two Toyota pickups parked in my garage.
@Those;
You have great potential in your post. But it will mostly fall on deaf ears. Do you know why?
I did in fact read the post, the link, and the political environment in which it was focused. Those two politicians are doing exactly what they need to do to be re-elected. That are pounding their chest for their constituents. We need more like them. People who will take an oath and stand up for that oath, and do it without name calling.
I do stand up. We drive two US labeled vehicles, neither of which were built here mind you, but they are US products.
Now, you stand up the next election and vote for somebody that cares about you, the economy, and America. Or, you can continue to allow other trade agreements to be voted in, and more tariff laws to be passed, and in another thirty years, America will truly be a material society. Your call.
Like you eluded too, it is Americans that have allowed this situation, and it will only take Americans to pull us out. But, it will take a united America, and in order to create a united America, name calling will have to cease, or we won’t get anywhere!
Read what you wrote Toyota Driver and try to understand why others don’t like you
I won’t call you names
Sounds like people are scared of competition. lol If America is so macho and proud you should welcome the opportunity to fight other makes. Just show that your the best in the world. Better hope its not like in Indycars cuz Chevy was destroyed by Toyota. So what did Chevy do? Pulled out after using a Ford-Cosworth Champcar engine so they could win 2-3 races lol
i work for chrysler. mopar to be exact. across the field is a toyota parts depot. one day they took there new fj 4×4 into the sand lot between us. it got stuck asap. we offered to pull it with one of ram pu.they said no got there own pu and got stuck doing that! after work a buddy with his tj jeep went over and over the same hills that toyota coudnt make. by the way , the vast majority of the mopar parts in our warehouse are us and canadian made. i have seen very veryvery little of the parts made off shore.
bob, no ones afraid of toyotas. look how poorly they did. and it is just excuse after excuse. cufishing, it is not the uaws fault for this. most all uaw members do what ever they can do to take out toyotas. if they dont they could lose their job. they want to keep their jobs here. its common sense, something people dont have alot of anymore.
forgot to say, today i saw a toyota with a plow get stuck pushing back snow piles. drove by latter and saw a ford f-350 with a chain around the toyotas tow hook 20 feet away from the tundra. either it was a to powerful ford or to pus*y a toyota!!!
mike joy ,the announcer for the daytona 500, made a great excuse for toyotas involvment in nascar. he said,”its a global economy”.oh really!lets see , if a japanese wants a foreign car he/she may be subjected to a govt. tax audit.
are we truly in a global economy?trade between the usa and say, iran/iraq? ,n. korea? africa?,russia? middle east? forgedaboudit!!! what a wonderful utopian world we live in.
@Steve:
Yes sir, we are in a global economy. The company I work for has corporate deals in over 150 countries, has employess that speak 23 different languages, and close to 75Mil people support our product.
Furthermore, joining this debat has allowed for a far more clearer vision than I held previosly.
I’m in the need for a new car. My dodge charger is going on the market today.
Whilst reseraching Steve’s global post, I thought it of interest to observe the NYSE. Low and behold, Daimler Chrysler IS NOT on the US market of the NYSE. It is only listed under global!
Tis a sad day for US automakers again.
LOL, I can’t wait until all you racist rednecks leave the sport. Toyota is a good thing for NASCAR because it would clear out all the KKK fans and bring in a new, more diverse fan base.
LOL@you crying toothless hayseeds. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!
PWNED BY TOYOTA!
rob, clearly you are a hick, kkk and racist your self because your opinion is just the oppisite of ours. you are standing up for what you belive in. thats what we are doing but for the other side. it goes both ways remember.
I am here to comment on an old post
The blame lies with Americans who simply don’t care about nothing but themselves and how they look in their foreign car.
this is untrue americans want quality at a decent price and this is what japanese auto makers offer
have you ever had a chevy with a small block 350 last over 200k miles me being an A.S.E. certified auto tech i can say that the big 3 make there vehicals to fail they fail you pay for parts the parts fail its a circle tha tmakes them money where as asian companies are geared towards quality and always have been and this is why the earnings for toyota in 2006 was more than ford,chevy,and chrystler together also in arizona there is a toyota proving grounds and toyota is primarly built in america also japan has cars that are inline 6 cyl. that are only 3 to 3.5 liters that is about 289 cubic inches that run well over 600 horsepower and that is for legal street use and our chevy engines at twice the size are strugling to push 200 in a truck and may i add the japcrap cars do that at or above 20 miles per gallon
mike l, you obviously didn’t get past the first grade to know what a racist or even a redneck is. you also can’t even spell the word “oppisite” either.
it’s uneducated, ignorant hicks like you who give NASCAR a bad name.
Just remember you racist kkk members, Toyota just the beginning for NASCAR.
This should push you to ROOT even harder for the American carts. It should make this sport all the more exciting.
have fun haters!
This is America people. There is something called freedom which allows for other nations to compete in a sport such as NASCAR.
The “NATIONAL” IN NASCAR is like the “NATIONAL” in the NBA.
Both leagues are indeed national BUT it’s the American way to provide freedom for international athletes to compete in both sports.
ignorant #403 ROB:
Who are you to make fun of Mike I because of a typo? Your stupid comment is full of grammatical mistakes. My eight-year old can write better. I can write better, and English is not my first language. In the future, ignorant Rob, do not make fun of others considering that you write like a second grader.
This is what you write (corrections):
mike l, you obviously didn’t get past the first grade to know what a racist or even a redneck is. (You) you also can’t even spell the word “oppisite” either.
(It’s)it’s uneducated, ignorant hicks like you who give NASCAR a bad name.
Just remember (Just remember,you racist KKK members),you racist kkk members, (that) Toyota (is) just the beginning for NASCAR. (I think that you mean that Toyota joining NASCAR is just the beginning. You write so poorly that it is hard to decipher…)
This should push you to ROOT even harder for the American (cars? or were you trying to be funny hahaha?) carts. It should make this sport all the more exciting.
(Have fun, haters!)have fun haters! ”
Go back to school, stupid ROB
@Rob;
Clearly you must feel better now that you have displayed your neanderthalistic views for all of the inter-net world to read.
That much power clearly makes your bowels tighten does it not?
However, that energy and power needs to be focused, it needs to be channelized, placed into a narrow segment of society. A place where you can really gain substantial identification, and be known for who Rob really is, and not just Rob the poster.
Besides, who really reads a full post that is blasted, as if from a shotgun, at a general audience. You need a target, man, a real point target. A small group of people who can really ‘feel’ the effect of Rob’s tongue. One in which that can be able to understand Rob’s views, not a group where the intended target may never see it again. Let us know your real feelings man, I have a few connections, maybe we can get you that target.
Some people just don’t understand you man, but try as they might, they just can’t comprehend your thought patterns. When that happens, they fall back to a “name calling” stage, or a *feeding* stage.
However, I find ~starvation~ is the best way to handle it.
thanks Patricia, i guess only the “smart ones” like rob can make mistakes. and rob, you really are ignorant. i wont have to root for American “carts” because i am not a fan of cart racing. but i was a fan of nascar and we are not afraid of toyotas. i mean, look how bad they did. and dont say its because their new. they shouldnt race if they are not ready!!! you dont eat if you arent hungry.
a.nichols, what 3-3.5 liter naturaly aspirated engine makes 600 HP. and my dads 350 camaro had 257 thousand before the cam broke in two. later found sand holes between the lobes. faulty casting or Q.C. only changed plugs and oil regularly. no bearings, valves, gaskets, rings, rods or anything. and all mechanics have their own expert opinion, it differs from person to person. some people like power over mph. are you really an ASE certified mechanic, my father is one and he sees more hondas in the shop.
@cufishing, your right i believe dcx is listed as an global/international company. i think the point im trying to make is everyone in north america has almost a free choice in any purchases they make. but i dont think that applies to every other country around the world.
steve,cufishing; posibly the same person.
Ja! America is under attack! First the Irish, now the Mexicans.Now TOYOTA!!! America is WASP. So…why are Jap cars in NASCAR?…Because liberal pansies let them. Because the NY Jews, because of bleeding hearts in Hollywood…America needs to wake up, and this is why PROUD WHITE AMERICANS sould do… proud white americans will buy only what WWE says to buy..Because as long as proud white americans buy BUSCH nas CHEETOS, the lest of their problems is realizing that their momma is smokin’crack behind the trailer…PROUD trailer park that they buy with the sweat of their foodstamps, with the satisfaction that their 15 yearold pregnant girlfriend is pulling 40 hours a week at McDonald’s, and Daddy is mas as f*@k doing time at a state facility. Yeah! Let’s defend white america by getting pissed at Toyota in NASCAR…that’ll make the trick!!!
Ja! America is under attack! First the Irish, now the Mexicans.Now TOYOTA!!! America is WASP. So…why are Jap cars in NASCAR?…Because liberal pansies let them. Because the NY Jews, because of bleeding hearts in Hollywood…America needs to wake up, and this is why PROUD WHITE AMERICANS sould do… proud white americans will buy only what WWE says to buy..Because as long as proud white americans buy BUSCH nas CHEETOS, the lest of their problems is realizing that their momma is smokin’crack behind the trailer…PROUD trailer park that they buy with the sweat of their foodstamps, with the satisfaction that their 15 yearold pregnant girlfriend is pulling 40 hours a week at McDonald’s, and Daddy is mad as f*@k doing time at a state facility. Yeah! Let’s defend white america by getting pissed at Toyota in NASCAR…that’ll make the trick!!!
that does not make any sense at all. are you for or against toyota man. crack is bad news man, stay away from crap.
You white trash retards make me sick. I am so ashamed that you can go so easy on Dodge and crap a brick on Toyota.
Dodge = German (white) = OK
Toyota = Japanese (yellow) = yellow peril!
Honestly, the Camry is going to be the only “stock” car made in the US.
I trive a Toyo truck with 150k and still runs like a champ. I sold my 80k Chevy z71 truck because it rattled and clinked every time I put it in gear… POS Mexican truck.
@dead head.
Uhm, no! Thou I’m fully aware of my surroundings, and understand my condition of hypomania, I am not multi. Nor am I capable of posting under the pretense of another, this would not create unity within my hypomaniacs reality.
However, I find it intriguing that there might be an association of my views correlated to those of another. This makes for an excellent comparison for evaluative practices that we are truly not single in mind, thought and soul.
Moreover, my name is Charles eUgene Fish.
@hapasc:
Nice post! With such an excellent opening, I was hard pressed to make it to the first sentence. Did you have anything intellectually pleasing to say after the fourth word? Honestly, that is as far as I got!
There is a hidden rule, when an opening is so intense, such as yours, the “i” rule kicks in hard.
Are you familiar with the “i” rule?
hapasc, once again its about toyotas in nascar. not dogde and skin color. at least dodge was at one point all American. you sound like you are one to call names as well. cuflushing, where do you stand on the topic of toyotas in nascar. you jump all over the place and never clearly say which side you defend.
must of scared off everyone with the truth.
this is pretty sad.
The beginning of the end for Toyota?
Did you guys hear that Toyota’s Tundra ads are being booed by the hockey fans every time the ads come up on the screen? Could it be that it took massive lay-offs and Nascar to wake up some to the reality that we need to stop Toyota?
And for those ignorants on this website who say that Nascar is for KKK and hicks –then why do you visit this site??–, my question is: how about hockey? Do you consider it a game for KKKs and hicks as well? I went to a Devils game and all were from my area: North Jersey. No KKK chapters here.
“Sludge” Toyota will suffer. I predict a backslash.
@Patricia:
I find it interesting that you support the Devils, Democratic politicians from Michigan, and NASCAR. Then you ponder why others of which you pointed out would visit this web site, and then place a fallacy of said others towards the end of your post.
I have no real geography of NJ, and I have no idea where your regional boundaries start and end.
However, I do know this. There is a small operational KKK chapter in Millville, NJ.
Additionally, there is a “Knights” KKK chapter in Trenton, NJ.
This post is a minute sampling of a study I participated in back in school. The content of that study theorized that people would willingly alter reality to support their vision rather than presenting factual information that may not, or rather thought not to be known by others who might come along and contest the validity of said information.
I must ask you then, do you think all NASCAR fans, people who support your postings here, and those that might gain your visionary insight form your post have an obtuse view of NASCAR, and more so American Pride?
422-cufishing:
You are making many assumptions here. I said: “I went to a Devils game”. You assume that I support the Devils.
You assume that I support the Democratic politicians from Michigan. I am a Republican. However, I support any politician who protects the AMERICAN auto industry.
What fallacy are you talking about? Be specific.
Read my post carefully: I said NORTH Jersey.
I think that all comes down to poor assumptions and generalizations. If you like NASCAR you must be KKK and a hick. Wrong!!!
As for your questions on patriotism:
Love for your country is a very personal thing. I love my adopted country USA. How do you show love for your country? In many ways and degrees: serving in the military, being a good citizen, being charitable with your fellow Americans, being respectful to the flag, SUPPORTING YOUR OWN INDUSTRY AND ECONOMY, etc., etc. These are some of the ways to show your love for your country.
I believe in economic freedom but the name of the game should be fairness.
By the way, to some ignorant who said the Scion cars are made in the USA:
From Karl, Chief Editor of Edmunds.com
“I recently glanced through a NHTSA document that tracks the percentage of U.S./Canadian (versus “foreign”) content in new car models. It’s actually a fascinating snapshot of where our cars come from, and despite thinking I had a strong sense of which models are built where there were several that caught me off gaurd. For instance, there’s not a single model on the list that is “100%” U.S./Canadian sourced, but the Ford Econoline van comes closest at 95% (the Impala, Monte Carlo and Grand Prix come in a close second at 92%). Chrysler’s highest percentage vehicle is the Viper, at 85%.
At the opposite end you have expected vehicles like the Honda Inisght, Toyota Prius and every Ferrari and Scion model (all at 0%). Every Mercedes-Benz model is also at 0% except the M- and R-Classes (62%). But some other ones surprised me, like the Honda S2000, Mazda Miata, Nissan 350Z and Subaru Forester (0%). “
Yes, you said you went to a “Devils” game, and I said you support the “Devils”. Unless you won the tickets through lottery, work achievements, or some other form you spent money on these tickets? Therefore, you supported the team that night by purchasing a ticket to watch their game. Maybe you even purchased a beverage, and a snack? All of which supports the “Devils”.
You posted an excellent political debate on two Democratic politicians from Michigan. You say you are a Republican. You then say that you support any politician who supports your views. That is an excellent use of your rights and you should support any politician that shares your views, irregardless of their affiliation! However, the key word being “SUPPORT”! There is nothing wrong with being a “centrist”.
You say to read your post carefully. I did. I also pointed out my lack of NJ geography and regions by purposely alienating that sentence within the post. Furthermore, after conducting a moment of research, I informed you of two triple K chapters in NJ. Again, I don’t know the regions, but Trenton, appears to be north of center within the state.
I never questioned anybody’s patriotism!
Furthermore, by calling people “ignorant” must really be a personal thing to you. It is quite apparent that you are incapable of allowing others to be capable of critical and intellectual thinking on views other than those you support. This will get you nowhere really, however, it does provide food for the opposition, and meals for “trolls”.
Again you have posted another excellent article within your #422 post.
chrysler at one time owned lambourghini.did that make lambo an american co.? ford owns jaguar and volvo;are they american? chrysler as part of dcx still designs engineers,test,and builds vehicles in north america.the problem ,if you want to call it one is the out sourcing.unfortunatly its just a part of the race to the bottom.i say northamerica markets are for the most part open to the world.let some of those markets ,japan and china for example,be open to the products built in the americas particularily cars.
#425 You are bringing up the one-million-dollar question. I guess you can use few rules of thumb when it comes to it:
1. Where is the company’s headquarter?
2. After expenses, where do the profits go?
3. What culture governs all -or most- of upper-management?
4. Where did the company start and grow before becoming multinational?
Now, plug-in the company’s name and see the answer.
As an example, let’s use Toyota:
1. Japan
2. Japan
3. Japanese
4. Japan
With some companies, the answers vary and it’s hard to come up with a definite answer. Let’s look at Chrysler:
1. USA and… Germany?
2. USA and… Germany?
3. Germany and… USA?
4. USA
I guess you could say that Chrysler is a hybrid. That is why many talk about the Big 2.5 instead of 3.0.
The whole argument about what car companies are American or not, makes me think about China. GM is growing exponentially there. By some of the people in this site, that’d make GM a Chinese company? Never!! It will be an American company with much investment in China.
Toyota is and always will be Japanese.
i agree 325, about the japs. not the rest.
Toyota is the 4th largest automaker in the US, what’s wrong with competition, afraid your old school american cars can’t keep up with modern technology?
Please understand, I am a well educated, Alabama Redneck. I am not your standard issue Alabama Redneck for that very reason. Many of you have commented on the purity of the sport being diluted and ruined by NASCAR allowing Toyota to compete. I am 42 years old, so I don’t remember WWII, and frankly don’t give a shit about the prejudices still held against the Japs. It is just as retarded as Black people thinking that they are owed something (read Affirmative Action) just because their ancestor may have been a slave. These idiotic ways of thinking are at best nothing more than stupid people continuing to breed stupidity. How does this tie into NASCAR? Simple, for all of you inbred hillbillies that think nothing is better than a Chevy, Ford, etc…, then why are you even remotely concerned that some piece of jap-crap wants to race too. Here’s your chance to prove just how much better your marque is than the Toyota. For me, I have owned, Chevys, Fords, Saturns, Cadillacs, Buicks, Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs, Chryslers, and Dodges. Easy to work on, parts are cheap, etc… Well the damn Mitsubishi Montero, Toyota MR2, Honda Odyssey, and Honda Civic that my children, parents, and I all drive have between 175K to 229K miles, and are all still on their first engines, and run great. Parts, the few I have had to buy, cost only slightly higher than the same for my old Monte Carlo, (engine replaced at 89K miles – now that’s quality!) but seldom is it necessary to fix my Jap Crap. Oh well, most of you seem beyond help anyway, but the inbred crowd deserves the right to complain too right?
ROCK ON TOYOTA! BRING THAT QUAD CAM V8 TO NASCAR AND KICK ASS!
Currently Lamborghini is owned by VAG (Volkswagen AG) and like the other high-end, specialty, and niche market automobiles under that roof, does not appear to be in any danger.
However you touched onto something that needs to be addressed, but first let us review post #50. This is the precursor to what you touched, that poster claims he “worked at a scrap yard in Louisville” and he can say “that Lexus is made from scrap”. Nobody took that for what he said, only pounded their obtuse chest for American Pride. What we need to understand is this: Other business opportunities are doing just that. Gladly taking “OUR” trash, and our other earthly materialistic environmentally un-friendly crap, and selling it back to us as products. Two sides to this:
1. We need to learn how to recycle more, better, and cost effectively.
2. The quality of the material we make products from can go further, and in so much as become another product before its end life. Clearly, the quality of material is their, so why do we throw it away?
We constantly attack anything Japanese, but yet are quite as a bug in a rug when it comes to others. I say to all people here, take your blinders off. The Europeans entered NASCAR, and nobody batted an eye. But jeez, Toyota enters, and it’s doomsday! Wrong! Doomsday made its appearance ahead of schedule, way before Toyota!
Look East people. The Europeans have devastated the USD on the world market with their united EU, and combined currency, “Euro”. Daimler took advantage of a liked product, and turned it into a superior global sales strategy. Then they were faced with quality issues, and removed the term “Ami-shize” (slang for American shit, -early transactions of the Chrysler mini-van and Jeep products) from the European market completely by purchasing the entire lock-stock and exhaust of the company. Which by the way, they do not trade on the US side of the NYSE! They now own the plants and operations of the North American continent, and have cars in NASCAR. They only build here what sells here. They still have an entire division in Europe that caters only to Europe! They *gasp* have entered the Asian market very successfully as well.
Enter the World market. Toyota builds cars here in KY, USA. Toyota USA *IS* traded on the US side of the NYSE! Toyota *contributes* to US based charities. Does that make Toyota a good product? I don’t own one, so can’t answer. It does however, make them a good team player!
We bitch and moan about world politics, but who do we vote into office? People say the UAW is not at fault, but yet they spend millions USD annually courting politicians! A practice Toyota does not indulge in. Possibly why their product might be a few dollars cheaper? Those millions could be going back to the company, economy, and workers, kind of like the hated Toyota. But hey, too each their own!
We beat our chests about the Asian market, and gaining entrance. Again, look to the East. The Europeans have entered the Asian market, and have been very successful, almost 40% to be exact. But hey, we don’t worry about them, what could they possibly do?
H-D has also entered the Asian market; they sell almost 22% over Honda in their native Japanese homeland! But people here beat their obtuse American Pride chest, and live on. What would it take to enter that market? Simply picking up an Asian marketing strategy guide from one of the already successful companies that are there and employing it.
People, either take off your blinders, or dig a hole in the sand and bury your head in it. Because like Steve #424 eluded to: We are winning the “race to the bottom”, and we don’t even have a Pit Stall!
In NASCAR conclusion:
Ford = Built/Assembled outside USA.
Chevy = Built/Assembled outside USA.
Dodge = Owned/Built/Assembled outside USA.
Toyota USA = Built/Assembled inside USA, owned outside.
cufishing and others, you dont know what uaw is. they are there to protect workers rights. they also are againsts unfair forgien trade. if they liked toyotas they would shut down us plants by supporting them. my mother worked at American Axle (GM,Chevy) for 30 years. while i didnt, ive heard more truth from her and therefor i am more educated in that subject then yous who have office jobs. why do you care? you probly dont but i have knowledge to back up my statements.
I know *enough* about the UAW from reading their own published literature. I know how much $$$USD$$$ they throw away courting favorable politicians.
I know that I do not stand a snowball chance in hell in converting a single person here about the practices of the UAW.
I care, because we are all in this together. We are all going to see the end result within most of our lifetimes!
It hurts me when I drive by Richard’s house in the morning. Richard served in the military. Richard has “Support Our Troops” on yard signs in his front yard. Richard had a flag pole installed, and flies his US Flag daily. Richard has a Toyota P/U for hauling occasions, a Lexus SUV for commuting to and from work, a Infinity for his wife to shop in, and a BMW for his still at home daughter.
where do you stand in the issue of toyota in nascar? you have not made it clear. and they use their money to keep the us auto maker running. anything else you “know” about the uaw.
first of all i want to thank patrica for her insightful comments.i also have to acknowledge both bill and cufishing for there points,some of which i probably grudingly agree with.today i stood back and thought why i hate toyota in nascar or whatever.i dont hate the japanese,if that was the case then i would probably hate americans because i dont like chevy either!(sorry mike1).but where maybe bothmike1 and myself agree on is toyota has no performance street credibility.the domestics have built this over decades either voluntarily or forced by the racing assoc.(nascar,nhra,etc.)to me ,even hondas with mufflers thatsound like a long loud fart has more street cred than toyota. and as far as quality is concerned the differnces are now razor thin from top to bottom. no one can afford to build a total piece of garbage anymore.(ps mike1, i like fords and mopars so i have to hate chevys)
#433 Steve: You are welcome. Thanks for your kind remark.
#428 Bill:
Where can I start??
First of all, I find it amazing when someone calls himself “well educated” and writes a poorly-written message.
Next:
You say that “you don’t give a shit about the prejudices still held against the Japs”. Again, self-proclaimed well-educated person, you are showing your ignorance. “Japs” is considered a derogatory name used by those who have prejudism against Japanese.
As for your loooooove for Japanese cars because of your own experiences, maybe you should not generalize here. You and your family may have had good experiences with the cars but Japanese quality is not what it used to be.
Source:
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/09/14/business/quality.php
“(…) a growing number of Japanese manufacturers are running into quality troubles. Last year, Matsushita, maker of Panasonic products and one of the largest Japanese electronic companies, recalled kerosene heaters after several cases of carbon monoxide poisoning. Two years ago, Mitsubishi Motors almost went bankrupt after confessing that it had routinely covered up vehicle defects in the 1990s.
Toyota’s troubles became national news in July, when police accused three executives at the automaker of covering up vehicle defects over an eight-year period. The criminal charges highlighted the soaring number of recalls in recent years by Toyota, a company whose reputation for flawless craftsmanship had made it the topic of countless books and business school seminars. In June, a J.D. Power survey of American owners of new cars ranked Hyundai Motors of South Korea above Toyota for the first time”
Lastly:
Good luck with your Honday Odyssey. Be careful with the transmission. Oh yeah, read on honey
http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f0fa11e/0
cufishing is so full of crap and excuses, keep buying Toyota’s and one day your job will leave too
AND IF YOU NOTICE HE HAS TO HAVE THE LAST WORD
@It’s;
I don’t own a Toyota! I don’t own Toyota stock! And I have no need to buy a Toyota!
Tell your over inflated fraudulent stories elsewhere, or at least attempt to back them up with factual evidence. However, in this case, you will fail to effectively produce anything close to your assumptions.
I lay out factual / researchable / validateable data. If you chose to call it crap, then you must live in a crappy society!
My job is not reliant on the domestic volume of sales. However, I buy domestic automobiles to keep my fellow Americans at work! When the day comes that a foreign body enters my field, we have lost more than just a little business in the auto industry!
However, you have one minute point correct.
@Steve;
How receptive is the slice and sell Daimler / Chrysler news?
Can you elaborate on some of the courses of actions the company might pursue?
Additionally, if “Magna” cannot secure the financial requirements, *AND* it goes on the world market; China appears to be financially prepared to negotiate a deal, what COA would that place the US in?
cufishing, where do you stand on the issue of toyota in nascar
@cufishing
at the moment they are selling the
business turn around plan,but everything is on the table.we have read and heard things from gm ,cherry(china),magna buying chrysler.we’ve also heard of mergers/associations with ford or renault/nissan. the truth is no one really knows.my personal opinion is chrysler will remain part of dcx.we suffered a huge 3rd quarter loss in 06 but till then our momentum was good and its still good. but mercedes is going thru its own quality issues at the moment and they have pointed the finger at chrysler by saying weve damaged there reputation.right now its all about products and productivity/efficiencies.if the turn around doesnt work i can see the president of chrysler gone and the previous man,who has left vw coming back.i will say this he was a man of action and a definate car guy.we also have new assocations with gm andbmw together in developing “green” powertrains. i could go on.i will say this though, im only a worker on the floor but im proud of our products,especially the mopar performance parts and vehicles.
There is no such thing as “NASCAR as American Tradition” as previously posted… Trace your history you dumb rednecks… “americans” are mixtures of europeans who left Europe… So NASCAR should be European…LOL!
@mike;
As you can tell from this entire thread people have mixed emotions about this very question you pose of me. Some here are clearly explicit in their abhorrence of a car brand, or more so, the human genome system that manufactures that brand.
I am of the type that savors history, for does history not repeat itself?
Enter NASCAR evolution: Al Keller in a Jaguar, won at Linden, New Jersey, on June 13, 1954. Other vehicles of interest for that day included; Austin-Healey, MG, Porsche and Morgan.
How about The International 200 at Langhorne, Pennsylvania, June of 1953? There were Jaguars, Porsches, Volkswagens and Aston Martins in the line-up.
Then there was Parnelli Jones in a Ford getting beat by a pair of Citroens
in the 1958 Crown America 500 in Riverside, California. The Renaults however, did not fair to well.
Just a short stroll down memory lane produces a sport in which has a very diverse history, with a very devout following. To me these are significant events, however, to others whom may not be purist will find it a bit trifle, if not an untruism.
Toyota entered other US motorsport events and have done well in the events, and have brought new marketing and business strategies into the mix. The off-road and stadium series to clarify.
I do not know when Toyota entered the defunct “Goody’s” series, or the truck series. Not my following.
However, I do know it was Melbourne, Australia 2002 when Toyota made it’s loathsome debut on the F1 circuit. Furthermore, in about 20 days, Toyota will embark on it’s six season beginning with the Melbourne. To date, they have 0 titles, 0 victories, and IIRC 1 second place finish! That is not exactly phenomenal performance where team budgets are counted in hundreds of millions USD!
In NASCAR conclusion;
Ford = Built/Assembled outsourcing to foreign soil.
Chevy = Build / Assembly outsourced to foreign soil.
Dodge = Owned/Built/Assembled outside the USA.
Toyota = Built/Assembled on US soil, owned outside.
Chevys made in Japan?
In a recent NY Times article about moving the operations of the Rolling Rock brewery from Latrobe, PA, to Newark, NJ, one Latrobe resident remarked, “No offense to New Jersey, but I didn’t think it had any mountain springs… and moving it someplace else is like hearing that Chevys will now be made in Japan.”
Actually, the Chevrolet LUV pickup was built in Japan by Isuzu and sold in Chevy dealerships from 1972 to 1980. Curious name for a truck, though. “LUV” actually was an acronym for “Light Utility Vehicle.”
Think we’re making this up? GM documents its “capital alliance” with Isuzu beginning in 1971.
How much did people love their LUVs? Found a few on eBay selling between $1,500 and $3,500.
Chevrolet also sold the Sprint, a very small three-cylinder economy car. Originally introduced in 1984, the Sprint was imported from Suzuki in Japan.
Also to be found on Chevy showroom floors in the 1980s was the Spectrum, a larger subcompact, imported from Isuzu in Japan.
And who can forget Geo, GM’s attempt to start a small-car brand from 1990-1997? Offerings included the diminutive Metro (built by Suzuki); the Prizm (based on a Toyota Corolla); the Storm (an Isuzu product), and the Tracker (small Suzuki SUV).
“Baseball, hot dogs, apple pie, and Chevrolet” went the advertising jingle. They left out “sumo wrestling, sushi, sake, Isuzu, and Suzuki.”
–Mike Quincy
FORD Cuautitlan Assembly
Cuautitlan (Mexico)
Products: Ford F-150, F-250, F-350 and F-450 trucks, Fiesta and IKON
Year opened: 1970
Plant size (sq ft): 2,034,369
Is this what BUILD FORD TOUGH MEANS?
Atleast I know the 2007 Tundra was developed and manufactured in the USA.
sir irony, i read that last night. notice how unpopular they where. the where mistakes and everyone knew that, therefore the didnt last. people want there cars to stay American. cu, do you like nascar? if you do then you proved alot of people wrong. you dont sound like an inbred hick to me, while i dont agree with all you points, it would make some angry if you are a fan. trucker tom, how long have them tundras been around? have they proven themselves tough like ford, chevy and dodge have? dont think so.
I just sold my last piece of Dale collectables on Ebay. After 40 years of watching, enjoying and collecting everything “NASCAR” I am officialy done with it all. I saw this coming in 2000. The goal of NASCAR is to become a multinational racing program like all the other racing leagues. They had to break the BUBBA connection. So first they changed the scoring. Then they slid Toyota into the trucks in 2002. Now we have camry’s in Daytona. Im done,
you can call me whatever you want. All I see is the tradition and history of what NASCAR used to be being thrown to the wind. The billionaires needed a few more million from Toyota i guess. But I still control my money and will actively boycot any sponser of Toyota teams and say to all who feel like I do to do the same. Money “is” what this is all about in the end. All true NASCAR fans should stop spending a dime on all things connected to it. From Red Bull to Nextel, Napa to 3M. I have my own company and have already stopped using 18 products because of their connections and don’t allow my employees to stay at Best Westerns anymore. The owners and drivers who had no problem taking their 20 gold pieces from toyota should be ridiculed and banned. Dale and all the other legends I use to watch from the top of my uncle’s RV in the infield of Daytona are turning over in their graves. I give a final salute to the late, great NASCAR. May she rest in peace and to the new NASCAR may you rot in hell.
well put james
James and Mike… you are racists! i bet you are both fat and ugly… James, you said you own a company? i hope your company dies down! what wrong having toyota in NASCAR? american tradition?… Read my previous post. tsk tsk!
@James;
Condolences on your collectibles loss. That must have been some turmoil of a decision process!
Additionally, have you sent written correspondence to both the CRM and HRM departments of the business units you cut lose? I would, and IMHO so should anybody else that has the same indignant feeling on this issue. Let the corporate guys of those business’ understand your feelings, and why they have lost you as a business partner. As the old saying goes, “United we Stand”, “Divided we Fall”. Encourage those around you to do the same.
horndogg, read my posts. they start at 184. then thik again about who you are talking to. get it through your head nunb nuts, we live in AMERICA!!! not europe. remember, i lost alot for your right to say that. and i can hold that against you because it must be more than you ever did!!! by the way, you type like your a redneck hick.
American traditions are an endangered species from what I see in modern culture. Corndogg needs to move out of mom and daddys house, stop playing war craft for at least 2 hours a day and get a job. I am not blind to the fact that foreign products are all over my house and car. I just would like to have some things that are for us americans alone. You can have a different opinion, but don’t think it’s racist. You and the rest of the pepsi generation can have it. It was already a mere shadow of what it began as anyways. To Mike, I have really begun to enjoy the local tracks as a replacment for N*****. You should try it if there are any tracks near you. It was very hard to sell all my stuff cufishing, but I could not support the industry that collectables has become anymore.
Dodge fan boys get your barf bags ready. Ford…Taylor Hick is not going to save you, you’re next.
Article:
- Since 1998 Dodge, Chrysler And Jeep Brands Are Fully Owned And Operated By Daimler-Benz (Mercedes-Benz), A completely German company – American stockholders were led to believe it was going to be a merger of equals but turned out to be a be a complete takeover. The Daimler-Benz CEO Jürgen E. Schrempp had knowingly and even admittedly misled American consumers, investors and shareholders. High ranking executives at Chrysler are now German after American executives were let go or pressured to leave. The problem is that Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep brands have received very little to no substantial quality improvements contrary to DaimlerChrysler claims of lending German Quality to Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep vehicles with tremendous quality gains, which would indicate an obvious marketing scam to try and rebuild consumer / “your” confidence.
Here is the link if you want the whoel truth: http://daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/
Should we say Dodge is ruining NASCAR also? It’s own and operated by Germans isn’t it?
james, i used to race real stock cars at one of the 4 local tracks when i was 16 till i was 19. all within 20 miles. really was a lot better to be the driver then fan. but between the heats and features i really enjoyed the open wheel racing. when i am done with the marines i hope to race again and then someday get all my kids into it. at the track i like better they only let the big 3 race. but on the hang over 150(january1st) they let all compete, but only one forgien car won and it was a all wheel drive
“American traditions are an endangered species from what I see in modern culture” …james, you’re not reading… are you familiar with the american history? there is no such thing as original american history…Mike, i know you are living in america. but originally where are your ancestors came from?… you’re not ok with toyota joining the nascar, the “american indians” are not ok you taking their lands and making it your own, and iraqis are thinking the same way. come on! why not have an open mind… toyota joining the nascar will invite more fans even though NASCAR drivers just loves going around in a big circle. What’s the thrill in that? what if the Japanese opposes you joining drifting competitions. also basketball, it was invented by a canadian right? how come you are playing it? people who are opposed of Toyota joining the NASCAR are like chickens, you are afraid of being beaten by a stranger at your own game. Think of it as a challenge, so that your low quality American brands improve on the game.
425: Patricia
To salvage any American pride left in what Daimler did to Chrysler, which was a complete take over, and try to call it a hybrid is a joke. Get off your double standard and get the facts straight. Dodge is a Division of Daimler-Chrysler now and the parent company is in Germany. If Germany controls what Dodge does. If you need consoling, you can get it from Dr. Z
*Corrections*
425: Patricia
To salvage any American pride left in what Daimler did to Chrysler, which was a complete take over, and try to call it a hybrid is a joke. Get off your double standard and get the facts straight. Dodge is a Division of Daimler-Chrysler now and the parent company is in Germany. Germany controls what Dodge does. If Daimler says No, then its “NO” for Chrysler. You can now all that Hemi a Himmler.
If you need consoling, you can get it from Dr. Z
*Corrections*
425: Patricia
To salvage any American pride left in what Daimler did to Chrysler, which was a complete take over, and try to call it a hybrid is a joke. Get off your double standard and get the facts straight. Dodge is now a Division of Daimler-Chrysler and the parent company is in Germany. Germany controls what Dodge does. If Daimler says No, then it is “NO” for Chrysler. You can now call that Hemi a Himmler.
If you need consoling, you can get it from Dr. Z.
Sir Irony, go easy on the postings. We’ll see what the parent Company Daimler does with the struggling Chrysler lines. You do have a point in saying that this is not a hybrid, but a 1 way owner ship by the German company. That’s truly what it is since all this bad news is about what Dieter Zetsche (Dr. Z haha) will do with the company.
A few things to look out for; the major job cuts can only mean that Daimler is trying to restructure the Chrysler lines. There are also talks that GM is interested in purchasing Chrysler, but who knows what will happen there. Another option is for Daimler to just drop the Chrysler and this may eventually kill the Chrysler divisions of Daimler.
Eat too much rice huh? Last time I checked, Budweiser used rice to brew their beers. Isn’t that the red-neck beer for NASCAR? It’s a cheap beer also. Don’t mention Miller because it is not an American owned company.
I don’t know how you necks will deal with it when Toyota wins once of those races. After that what will be left for American sports?
The best USA baseball team, with Roger freaking Clemens pitching, can’t even beat Mexico in the World Baseball Classic. The score was 2-1. Japan won the 1st ever World Baseball Classic.
The USA Basketball team, made of NBA players, is a joke internationally.
The NFL does not compete internationally so it’s safe for now.
Tiger Woods is not white so get off his nuts.
Hunting and fishing….are you kidding me?
Truth is, while you idiots whine about NASCAR, some kid, and yes I said kid, in India is receiving his/her college degree and will make an impact in the global economy. Wonder why the world is catching up and surpassing the USA? I rather be an illegal Mexican with real life values then the redneck who has not evolved since the invention of the trailer home.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket because of goose steppers like you truth. Put down the ipod and turn off fox news. Old time N***** lovers like me will never except toyota, ever. As for baseball, i haven’t watched a game since the greedy bastards cancled the world series.
thank god I will be gone by the time you Geo goosesteppers run/ruin this world. Old time N***** fans will never except toyota, ever. As for baseball, I haven’t watched a game since the world series was cancled for greed.
Sadly, there’s no such thing as an American car anymore, and there hasn’t been for some time now. Do your homework people. ALL automobiles are mostly made overseas. Some are just “assembled” in the US.
I’m a die-hard American Musle car fan and the thought of Toys in NASCAR makes me queasy, but the truth is, they’ll probalby do well. So, get used to it.
looks like they are doing real well, fan! you arent a muscle car fan because only a fake fan would welcome toyotas with out any problems and open arms. and the American cars are as usual kickingass and always will. you got any real muscle cars. i own 3, 67 chevelle, 69 camaro and 74 camino. and i consider my 04 silverado 3500 a muscle truck, them little men must get embarrassed when i roll up next to toyotas and look down on them from 4 feet in the air with my turbo diesel roaring!!! man do they get red!!!
TO ALL REDNECKS:
Racing is for competition. More competitors (Toyota) create more competition. What are you afraid of? I’m sorry that “jap” cars are better engineered, more reliable, and gaining in popularity. Because of your fears that (GOD FORBID) Toyota will win a race, you don’t need to say stuff that doesn’t make any sense.
jay jap, them toyotas dont look like they are gonna win unless they cheat again. and not all fans or ex fans are red necks, if they are then you are one to. and if you dont like nascar(probly coming in next post) you shouldnt be on this site. its for competition among American cars. toyotas dont compete, they lose.
You forgot to mention German cars too. Get over it Dodge fans, Daimler screwed you over. Its no a hybrid or 50/50 merger, it was a complete “burn the village, kill the men, and rape the women” take over. There is nothing left from Dodge that smells like American. It smells like bad German sour krout. You can call that Hemi a Himmler now. Dr. Z can suck on this American Patriot missile.
I own both an American and a Japanese vehicle and they’ve both had there share of problems.
I can certainly understand wanting to keep the sport all-American, as it is an American tradition with a lot of national pride. Before reading all these silly posts (ok, not all but most are the same), I would’ve voted to keep it American too. Now I welcome Toyota just to spark all of the silly, bigotted controversy with plenty of name calling from its ‘fans’. It works both ways: there were plenty of stupid responses for the “inport” lovers as well. Competition forces companies to make their respective products better. hmmmm Capitalism…Competition…. A-m-e-r-i-c-a-n
sorry – I wasn’t finished…..
Just out of curiosity, how many of the “Jap” haters own Japanese motorcycles or ATVs? It’s difficult to find anything else. What about Chainsaws? TV’s? Cameras? Other electronics? I find it hard to believe that Japan became the world’s largest manufacturer of many of these products as a result of incompetence and crappy products. I’m just waiting for someone to claim that we were ‘victimized’ by Japan.
Amost forgot: you Jap lovers move to Japan ifn’ you lovem so much!
no, I mean: Imports rule! You’re just jealous!
craftsman chainsaw, polaris quad, 76, 07 polaris snowmobile, had a 76 harley, no American tv makers so cant help that. nor computer makers. and why are there no American makers of consumer electronics? japan and china knocked out all of them. read and you will learn. you must be 10 or something if you want to cause more problems. grow up and you will see whats wrong with all this. by the way, if an American company made electronics, i would by them to support my country, though i am in the marines.
Yes, Mike, I am 10 and I own two cars – I think you missed my point. That’s great that you support our country and that you’re a Marine. Sincerely. If it weren’t for people like you, none of us would be able to express our opinions and argue about car racing. I’ve been to China and frankly, I like it here.
Maybe you’re on your way to making a good point. Where’s all that stuff made? Who makes that Craftsman? Sears doesn’t make squat. It’s a rebadged version of something. What happened to your Harley?
“japan and china knocked out all of them”
and we’re the helpless victim, I see…we’re no match for Japanese and Chinese competition. Why don’t American companies make electronics? We invented the technologies, what happened?
What I’m I supposed to read to help me understand?
dumped my harley when i was drunk and sold it, little wake up call that turned my life around. bicentennial edition. and all i know is if i buy sears craftsman i support an American company. but is says made in usa of mostly us parts. and i know my quad is made of alot of forgien parts but it was assembled i the us. on my 76 polaris the only forgien parts it has is the mikuni fuel pump and carb. my 07 is as American as my quad but its alot better then a yamaha.
ive been checking out these posts now for a couple of weeks and by far the most vindictive comments are coming from the pro toyota in nascar crowd.the way i see it is if you havejust become a fan in the last 5 years or so your probably for toyota in nascar.those of us who have paid attention to it over alonger period hate toyota.reason is weve seen the changes where a stock car looked like something that might resemble what you drive.i owned two fairlane cobras.they looked like the cars raced between 1968-71.when ford used the tauras i started to get turned off.when cars went all aeroblob looking that turned me off.when nascar was looking for more parity-that turned me off.now toyotas in – ive had enough
@mike:
When you ask “if i’m a fan”:
Do you mean;
Story swapping on the infield over a cold one on race weekend? No.
Partying most of the night away before the big event? No.
Traveling countless hours to make an event? No.
Or, do you mean:
Running the NASCAR driver pool at work? Yes.
Having a working knowledge of NASCAR; history, families thereof, legends thereof, and their charities? Yes.
Can correlate most of the current drivers to their number, car type, team, and major sponsor ((minus) Toyotas), Excluding “Mikey”, “Darrel”, and the crash inducing “Cat & Dominoes”? Yes.
Have a working knowledge of NASCAR evolution, “Strictly Stock”/”Grand National” predecessor series, and it’s legends? Yes.
i ment do you like it in general. like watching the race at home or wearing a hat with your favorite driver. but its nice to know someone against toyota has such a vast knowledge of all the topics that make the sport. steve you hit the nail right on the head. all the “rookie” fans dont get what was about. it changed so much for the wrong in the past year.
This is how the Japanese destroyed our television market in the 70’s. Does anyone care?
Dumping is an illegal business practice and requires -most of the time- the collaboration of a government. Japan has conquered many markets like this, and as I said in my previous posting, that is how the American TV industry was killed. The Japanese auto companies started conquering the market here by dumping cars. That is a fact. Now they don’t need to that but the damage has been done. What they do now is taking advantage of two things:
1. Japan’s government subsidizing health care and other labor costs.
2. An American culture that thinks that if it is foreign, it must be better.
People are free to buy any car they want. However, do not rejoice when our car industry suffers because of your choices. And know that eventually someone will have to pick up the tab if any of our companies goes under. Who do you think will pay for the expenses of all those being supported by the pension and health-care funds? Uncle Sam! Who is Uncle Sam? All of us, paying more and more taxes. Remember that when if it happens, and then remember that most of the Toyota profits are now subsidizing Japanese citizens. You want a Japanese auto? Fine. Live with your conscience.
IF THE JAPS WANT TO RACE THEY SHOULD HAVE STARTED JAPCAR AND STAY OUT OF NASCAR BUT WE ALL KNOW ITS ABOUT MONEY.
JUST THANK NASCAR THEY ARE ALL ABOUT MONEY.
money, the root of all evil. yet you cant live with out it. at the least a good, some what easy life.
Mike L and Patricia, you two rednecks are still here?
I th ought you guys left the NASCAR as fans already?
I just came back from a short trip to a NASCAR event here in FONTANA, California.
There were lots of fans here in support of TOYOTA with no bickering or redneck hooligans such as yourselves.
HAHAHAAH,
Toyota pwned!
ISN’T IT IRONIC THAT
American companies build their cars outside of USA and that companies like Honda, Toyota, Subaru have plants here in the U.S >?
and we have people here CRYING AND COMPLAINING about these international companies?
You guys should complain about how the American Auto’s out outsourcing their resources!
HYPOCRITES!
Hey Rob The rest of the country knows how it is in California la la land fruits and illegals and Hollywood morons
Does it bother you that Patricia has 50 points on your iq
jill and rob, your idiots. you dont understand what an American sport is. why do you think toyota make their cars here? if you think its to make jobs stay here your wrong. its to fool idiots like you and get on your good side. the big three send jobs overseas because they cant afford to keep them here. why? toyota and others take away most of their sales and therefore less profit. what happens when they send your jobs away? you wont be happy. and it can happen. look at the airlines maintenance jobs.
Japan certainly profits from the sale of Japanese products. However:
“An American culture that thinks that if it is foreign, it must be better.” Who’s fault is that? Once again, you’re blaming Japan for something that American’s whole-heartedly bought into, for better or for worse. Japan forced no one to buy their products. People bought them because they thought they were a good value.
People act surprised that NASCAR is all about money. As soon as the winner gets out of his car in the winner’s circle, advertisers start shoving Coke down his throat and rotating through about 9 baseball caps so every advertiser gets his name on TV. As some have said, the “real racing” died a long time ago.
Jill and Scapegoat should marry and move to Japan lol
non American pro left liberials
That ain’t righ. Then theyd be two ingmoramasus in japan with American liberal views. Then theyd be selling us imported hotdogs at baseball!
Jyst shoot ‘em
From post 467:
“Amost forgot: you Jap lovers move to Japan ifn’ you lovem so much!” Can you say ‘predictable’?
I think you’re confused: isn’t it my AMERICAN right to be pro left liberal?
Defintion: “Liberalism refers to a broad array of political traditions which hold that individual liberty is the primary political value.” Gee, Thanks!
I suppose it makes it easier for you if you’re not burdoned with decision.
With your closemindedness and desire to have no choices, you’d fit right into a communist society.
what is that supposed to mean? doesnt make any sense. make up you mind you immature child. and we lost our tv market because once again, japan and china fooled all the gullible people by selling them tvs real cheap and only the patriots understood what was going on. get it through your thick head and realize you are getting fooled into supporting communism.
China is communist, Japan is not. Thought I’d point that out since you’re hating on Japan.
You’re right about one thing: it’s easier to blame than to acknowledge responsiblity. cufishing (who has taken no explicit side) addressed this issue better than anyone. His values express his patriotism, his pride in our country’s products, and the desire to have our products excel. However, unlike you, he acknowledges that we’re the reason for our current situation, not dem waskly for’ners.
Please continue to play victim and degrade yourself with your total lack of accountability. Do you make this many excuses to your superior officer?
I’m really starting to wonder if you’re for real. Maybe your just a fiction of some Toyota fan’s imagination, planted here to tarnish the other anti-Toyota posters who present valid arguments.
i live in canada.i work for mopar.the overwhelming majority of parts are made in the usa. canada is not even a close second.but a great deal of the cars are built here.why is that? i got three reasons/opinions.i also asked other employees.one is a cheaper cdn dollar;in other words it cheaper for the big three to build here.two,govt subsidized health care.three,and this is what we have read and told ,is better productivity.but i suspect the first two are the main reasons.guess what, japanese manufacturers have the same advantages plus there parts are made in japan.american car companies would love to build more in there own country,but its a economically harder thing to do.the vast majority of japanese cars still come from japan.those factories in the states are nothing more than pr tokens.
^ look up!
Ha! Ha!
What he said!
I bet mike can kick your butt! He’s got that turbo diesal truck. He make you turn red! Ha! Ha!
also, i said it before, if i had a choice to buy all American i would. this isnt a blame game, its the truth. and like that movie quote, “you want the truth, well you cant handle the truth” and you realky cant because you are to narrow minded and cant see the other sides reasons for what they say. seems to me that your playing the blame game, but dont see that you are. sorry, your not a child, you just have the brain of one. actully, im not sorry.
Whered he go? How you know he 500 miles away? I’m missing sumpin here. How you know??? How he make post disapear????
nascar ruins racing for me. F1 baby!!!
f1 sucks. where did my post go.
The Camry is made in Kentucky, The Tundra is made in Indiana. Toyota is synonomous with quality and resale value. How many Fords or Chevys with 100,000+ can you sell for $10,000+. Anyway NASCAR is for rednecks, IHRA all the way.
F1?
How you make post go away?
What IHRA? Internal Hotdork Riding Associate? Ha! Ha!
How many ‘yo’ worth $10? NONE! Ha! Ha!
Many of you Yanks are saying that foreign companies take money back to thier homeland but simply don’t acknowledge that the profits earn’t by the many overseas companies that GM/Ford own (eg Holden here in Oz) goes back you you. What shear arrogance some of you Americans have. It’s OK if the money goes to yank land but not the reverse. Here in Austrlia Holden and Ford are on a huge decline becuase we have had an adsolute gut full of the inferior engineered (utter crap) that America has provided us. Your local car manufactuers like GM and Ford have provided us with unreliable, gas swallowing, inferior quality cars for far to long and now the tide is turning ever so more quickly by the year and i think it is about bloody time. I ‘ve noticed many car buyers are sharing the same point of view in America. Companies like Toyota, Mazda and Honda produce damn fine vehicles indeed and something GM and Ford are scared shitless of. If your beloved GM/Ford products are so good like some say then why all the concern for a juggernaut like Toyota to compete. Maybe your junk cars are are not so good afterall and simply beaten by tyhelikes of Toyota. Good !!… i love it, Bring it on.
Go Toyota – i love your products.
shane, you love crappy products then. daune, you know ihra and nhra both just as redneck as nascar. and all cars that are only 1 year old with hundo thousand sell for that much, as long as they arent abused or wrecked. people put toyotas out so early because if they resell more they know it will make toyota look better. its all a setup. way to sellout your country, must make you fell good when when you put fellow Americans out of a good job when you buy forgien. what till you loss your jobs to a forgiener
There are alot of comments regarding if one buys foreign then the money will end up overseas. To me that is an extremely arrogant point of view because the dollars earn’t from the overseas owned companies of GM/Ford (eg Holden here in great Oz) just goes back to America. It appears OK for America to recieve foreign dividends but not the reverse. That is shear arrogance at the best.
As far as i concerned, GM and Ford have been manufacturing poorly engineered vehicles for far to long and many people have had an absolute gut full. Here in Austrlia the likes of Holden and Ford are taking an absolute pounding from the likes of Toyota, Mazda etc because unlike the American counterparts, they are providing good quality, utter reliable, innovative cars that have unmatched dependability and longevity. My 2 Toyota’s for an example have provided me with hassle free maotoring unlike some of the American junk we get.
If some people think that thier beloved GM/Ford products are so good then why the big concern of Toyota entering NASCAR. Maybe becuase some know that thier GM car is not what they are cracked-up to be. GM and Ford truely do biuld some of the worst cars one could possibly buy and the likes of Toyota have proven through the test of time that thier cars are extremely reliable and robust and far less dependant on garages to keep ‘em motoring along.
It is my undertsand that GM and Ford in America advertise how American they are yet are increasingly sending the manufacturing of vehicles, engines and other automotive parts externally (eg North to Canada and South to Mexico). Why some people are fooled by such advertising is beyond me so wake up and smeel the roses. Society is changing and so are American Companies.
Mike I – you suggested to me that Toyota produce crappy cars but that has absolutely no meaning or context what so ever. The only companies manufacturing crappy cars is GM and Ford. Some examples from them have been woeful at the best. The likes of Toyota, Mazda, Honda etc and earn’t themselves a very honourable reputation of producing damn fine vehicles indeed.
To prove your arrogance you have only mentioned (concentrated with blinkers on) about the $$$ going back to Toyota HQ but not for one moment have you recognised what companies like Toyota is doing for the American economy. It is my understanding that Toyota employs something like 300 000 in the manufacturing industry alone and then there are those employed in Sales as Spare parts interpreters, mechanics, detailers etc in the vast array of dealerships that can be located across America. And then there are all those companies that produce and provide automotive associated parts. That is alot of employed personnel all earning honest dollars for there family and economy. What you have done Mike was concentrated on the negatives but gave absolutely no thought towards the huge postives.
Here in Austrlia, Toyota source more Australian made components for the Camry then any other local manufactuer and yet Holden likes to promote themselves as the ‘Australian Company’. What crap !!
If poeple like yourself say buy GM/Ford for America then all you are doing is condemning poeple to buy what i consider inferior products over superior but that doesn’t matter does it. What about all those hard working families that have to return thier ‘out of warranty’ GM/Ford car to the garage for MORE COSTLY REPAIRS when most alternative could have saved ‘em heaps in the longer term with greater dependability. There is no doubt that many Japanese manufactuers build quality cars indeed. Each time you return a car for fault rectification all you are doing is making them richer and you poorer and do you think they give a damn – absolutely not, just more $$$ for them. Mike, you really are as aorrogant as they come so get rid of your narrow minded thoughts and only buy a GM/Ford product if it really is the better alternative and for many they are not.
Yes I’m an American and i don’t care who races nextel cup.I got tired of watching superstars Gordon, stewart,and whoever does the ignorant bump them on the last lap to take a win crap.I race myself and I don’t have to move people out of the way to win .I’m tired of watching overpayed cry babies that should be glad they don’t have to put there 40–60 hours a week just to make ends meet.I used to watch every race now and then I watch the end of a race.After all how much of a nascar is the mfg. block,sheetmetal,ford rear ends,decals what else.Yea i’ve done the military thing and am a hard core american and won’t own a jap car and I make my living fixing cars.What some of you don’t understand is when a rice burner needs to be fixed the cost of the repair will make up for all the years of not fixing it.It all ends up the same in the end.Old nascar fan no much with the new nextel series.
dead-head. Ha! Ha! sounds like a scene from Pirates-Dead mans chest. U R funny man. What you live life with? So, this dude makes a post, hollers about some womnan, Patty or sumpin. Ha! Ha, funny. Then he says bad things about mike. Then I make post, and then his post is gone. Then mike make post, and he sya this guy 500 miles away. How he know that? Then mike post gone? I don’t know what that is, but those post are gone. Then you roll up, Ha! Ha! Where you with Paris when she got busted again? Ha Ha! bet that was funny. I bet you she don’t do jail. Bet her daddy money buy her free. dirtracer good dude. He say it about fixing them ‘yo’ cars, cost much money. Shane not funny
. He make daddy mad about his car in Austria. Daddy work for GM. My first car will be a GM.
get this, there are just as many American cars that last as long as toyotas. and some that dont. same with toyota. and yes, toyota does make some quality cars but the technology came from the big three. the arent time tested, theyve been around since 1933. wheres all them if they last so long. i see plenty of 33 chevy trucks still driving with out being restored.
deadhead – your name says it all. You mention that GM/Ford have the technology yet the Japanese copy it. Mate, you really are none the wiser !!
American automotive companies are the biggest copiers of all. Most new advancements are either originated in Germany or Japan (mostly Germany)and then many many years later maybe adopted by the likes of GM/Ford. How nieve are some of you jokers. Have a look at GM V8’s for example – still using pushrods – that is total dinasour era stuff and only recently moved away from pushrods in GM/Ford 6 cyl’s. Alloy blocks, quad cams, multi valves, semi and full sequential injection as with direct injection, varable cam/valve timiing and 60 degree banks ALL orinated externally of American shores. I’ve underestimated the nievity of some of you people.
My earlier question still hasn’t been answered – why are so many concerned about Toyota entering NASCAR. Many will say for traditional reasons but i strongly doubt that for a second. I’ll be more inclined to suggest becuase of Toyota’s huge financial backing, engineering expertise and the fact that they will eventually start winning which will bring shame on local GM/Ford cars. Sore losers !!
Another qusetion, why is it that not just in America but also here in the great land down under (Australia)that many customers are rapidly shying away from GM/Ford metal for German/Japanese engineering instead. I can suggest a few reasons… greater quality, reliabilty/dependability, longevity, technological advancement, rising fuel prices and the fact that some companies are trying to be more environmentally responsable. As far as i’m concerned, German and Japanese engineering is far superior then GM/Ford and will be for the foreseeable future.
Instead of knocking the likes of Toyota, Honda, Mazda, Lexus, BMW’s etc why don’t some of you stop and ponder the huge postives that they are offering and for the likes of Toyota the huge amount of employment in thier local manufacturing, dealerships and component engineering. Toyota here in Australia has invested deeply into state-of-the-art engineering processes, Research and Development and comonent manufacturing as with the biggest export programme of all and as much as we acknowledge the $$$ go back to Toyota HQ we also acknowledge the huge economical benefits they bring to our shores aswell. No different to thier establishment in America. Toyota is a damn fine automotive entity so give’em a go and they’ll probably even do you pro GM/Ford campers a favour by forcing better products from them which is something that probably wouldn’t be done otherwise. Don’t be scared of something different of change becuase time stops for no man, move with it not against.
The only reason why the likes of GM/Ford are worried is because of the impact on thier bottomline so they try the traditional method to retain loyalty but it is only about the dollars. They don’t have loyalty or worry about traditions – them moving more and more practices overseas and across your borders is testimony to that. Eg, i believe the new GEN4 v8 is manufactuered in Mexico and then shipped across the border back into USA and then GM say…look how much American we are !! It’s got not nothing to do with loyalty or traditions, just $$$.
There is no big three now.
Chrysler is not American owned.
shane, dont pick on deadhead when you live australlia. its an AMERICAN sport. where do you fit into the topic of an American sport that involves American cars. he makes good points. you dont think that anyone is able to say something that make sense to us in the US that support our country. why do you think your so smart but everyone else is dumb and cant see whats happening to our auto industry. theres reasons why its like the way it is. and no one likes where its going. push rods are heavy duty.
Shane and ones like him will pay the price too when we finally take our country back
HE IS SO FULL OF HIMSELF AND HIS CRAPPY JAP CAR
Mike, you haven’t attempted to answer any of my questions. Can you please atleast try.
Where Australia (as with many other nations) fit into it is that we were once but increasingly less so thank god have been heavily influenced by American automotive companies like GM and Ford. What you guys engineer tend to filter to us eventually and now some of our Holden products will be sold in America. Once again, you guys don’t have a problem with influencing external parties but tend to have an issue vice-versa. Like it or not Mike but globalisation is and will have influancing factors on all of us (and certainly something that i don’t agree with but regardless it won’t be stopped)so what you do effects us, what we do effect you and what Japan does effect all of us so on so on. And don’t forget Mike, what about all the auto companies worldwide that GM and Ford own between them and the influences that they have because of American decisions.
Once again, what is the big issue with Toyota entering NASCAR- i think it is a damn good idea.
Shane likes to beat others down, makes him feel better for not supporting Americans and our workers. If he thinks that others don’t steal our technology he must be from Mars. Asia society preaches teamwork not innovation.
GET REAL AND READ MORE AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR UNFAIR TRADE LAWS AND A MORON AMERICAN CULTURE THAT THINKS ANYTHING MAKE IN ASIA IS BETTER
WHAT A LOOSER!!!!!!!!!!!!
I worked at scrap metal company for over 5 years as a buyer and you guys know that Asian crap is made from our scrap
Fine Automobiles lol :~(
Shane T: You’re wasting your time arguing with Mike and his brothers Root and Deadhead. Actually, the three of them are somewhat unsophisticated biggot-bots. You can tell this because all are quick to respond with unintelligible responses consisting mostly of adolescent insults and are apparently incapable of reason.
As some have said: just because something is imported doesn’t make it better. However, immediatly labling anything produced by a different country/culture as ‘crap’, without considering both the disadvantages and ADVANTAGES is ignorant and racist. Some posters who don’t favor Toyota’s entry make very good points – the bots do not and never will.
#478 Rob says:
“Mike L and Patricia, you two rednecks are still here?”
I’ve been called many things in my life, but a redneck? Now, that’s a first. I was born in Spain and America is the country that I love and where I live. My house is few minutes from New York City. Yeah, I guess I am a purebred redneck!!!
Ignorant Rob…
As for the kangaroo from Down Under (Shane… sounds very gay, doesn’t it?): You don’t live here –so you just don’t understand. Why don’t you join a
forum on things that relate to you and your country?
Some of us love Nascar to remain for American brands only. Death to Toyota!!
You really need help scapegoat,name calling? still making excuses for unfair trade laws and belittling others.
Does it make you feel better? The biggots and so called racist won’t forget folks like you
Biggist raciist of all are Asians ever go to Japan?
Your turn, you know you have to have the last word.
I vote for Patricia for President, we need people like her running the country. Without a doubt the smartest person in this Toyota lover anti American forum.
Thanks Patricia for trying to inform and educate these rice burners lovers
[Patricial] Stop responding and I’ll stop responding. That’s how a dialogue works.
So far, I’ve been called non-American, immature child, ingmoramasus (that’s a good one), and told I should be shot. As far as the name calling is concerned, I don’t think I’m a big contender. Besides, what’s up with calling an Austrialian a Kanagaroo and making fun of his name, Pat (dude or chick, who can tell). What a hypocrite.
to clear things up i am not against forgien cars when they dont shut down American brands. im all for FREE and FAIR trade. but i hate all forgien cars now because it is not a healthy trade we have with them. if it was fair i wouldnt have a problem with toyota in nascar. but not only are they trying to be the best car maker, they have to attempt to take over nascar. it needs to be fair. im not against the idea of global trade by all means. then it would be nice to see some new blood,but its not real fair
The only people full of themselves is the American culture and the American companies and something that the rest of the globe has had an absolute gut full of and are finally starting to withdraw support. About time. Many have always suggested how arrogant the American culture is and that certainly is no bold statement.
Yet i must ask again – why haven’t some of you so called great people even attempted to answer my questions. There is nothing hard, complicated or confusing about ‘em just straight forward simple questions and even that is proving too hard for the likes of some.
What i find extremely amusing is that many use the word ‘Jap crap’ but GM and Ford manufacture the crappiest of all. Not only is the World shying away from such inferior quality vehicles but even many of the American people. That must really hurt, puts a big uncomfortable apple in the throat doesn’t it and a bit hard to swallow. I love it.
Someone mentioned death to Toyota. Unfortunately for you Toyota is the most powerful automotive company in the World and one that GM and Ford are extremely concerned about indeed. With a rapid declining customer base and huge financial problems to overcome it appears death to GM and Ford and many won’t cry over that. Toyota is flogging GM and Ford and they have little to fight back with. Go Toyota !!
Nascar next then things will certainly be even bleaker.
If some of you sore losers would like to visit a very interesting Australian site then go to ‘Drive Blog’ and see what we have to say.
shane, American cars are of the same quality as toyota. read my last post. it hurt to say but its what i really think. some fair trade would be nice. keyword fair. and to your questions, no ones gonna respond to them because they all where either the topic of an earlier day or no one has an answer that isnt going to start another off topic subject. if only people could see that both sides present valid opinions and they all in some way revolve around trade.
arrogant. funny word. tossed around alot on this page. when someone calls another arrogant, arent they arrogant themselves. hypocrite is the word i belive. face it, all we do on this site is ridicule each other. how about instead of slamming each other we should post what we have to say and others can comment. no ones more right then any other. thats the problem, everyone is better then everyone else. thats what they think any ways.
i elluded to the fact that i hate toyota in nascar because they have zero hiperformance street credibility.mike1,check out toyotas web site.they do not have not one!not one! hiperformance car.corolla-nope!,yaris-zero!avalon-forgetit!,camery-ha!ha!ha!-and so toyota wants to race without putting anything on the street.what a joke.i also checked out there hiperformance parts catalog.it boils down to filters,brakes,suspension and other trinkets.oh,they offer an eaton supercharger-oh boy!dont get me wrong ,im not one of those who say they make crap.but they certainly dont go out on a lim and build anything exciting.-corvette,camaro,mustang,ford gt,charger,viper,srt,ss,boss,etc,etc.if toyota wants to spend a billion to race-fine.but put something on the streetand we will see how relible they will be other than there boring toasters on wheels.
steve i agree and i think i was one of the first to say that. but we need a fair and free global economy. and i know all they have is dumb little tuners. anyone of my cars could bet any toyota. they aint time tested. like i said with their”trucks”. i just think that “compition” would be good if we could have a world with fair trade. even though theyd never win any ways, and i still wouldnt buy one. chevy all the way. but think what if we could keep our jobs here, and when a toyota goes you just laugh.
I see this thread has gone complete circle. Circles are incapable of forward progress. By emplacing limitations on ones forward progress restricts the entire effort of a movement (Daytona). A societal movement cannot gain ground if it is circular, however, it can certainly lose ground.
Name calling: Why? Is that all that is left? Are we at such a low in modern society that we must revert to juvenility tactics? I honestly hope not, but the proof is in the pudding.
Redneck?
Who is a redneck?
What is redneck?
What do rednecks look like?
Redneck: “A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude”.
Provincial: “Limited in perspective; narrow and self-centered”.
Conservative: “Favoring traditional views and values; tending to oppose change”.
Bigot: “One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ”.
@Shane;
Sir I have been outside of my borders. I have observed, and studied marketing of foreign investors, investor relations, political strategies and customer relations management. I have attended seminars in Europe, Asia, Africa and other nations. I have corresponded with people of your country, and your geographical region. Furthermore, I see things without blinders hindering my vision. I understand what you say. I feel what you say. However, my society will not tolerate your abusive ways of speech. I know, I honestly know, that what my government says to my society, is not always what it says to your society, and other societies of the world.
You make an excellent point, let us refine that point. …”rest of the globe has had an absolute gut full of and are finally starting to withdraw support” Exactly! We, (as in Americans) have had an absolute “gut full” of outsourcing, Asian tariffs, Asian taxes, and Asian imports! Now sir, correlate that to your intestinal fortitude and understand we can all come to an agreement. However, as with many things in life, change is not as easy to propagate as it is to proliferate.
Questions? I must have inadvertently missed your questions. Would it be possible to reiterate them?
Some have to have the last word and try to impress with textbook knowledge.
BOOKSENSE NO COMMON SENSE cufishing
And so full of himself and his education. When it falls appart he won’t survive
Sad!!!!
Well darn, I really did not mean to serve such an approach.
I attempt to persuade, coax, and inform, leaning towards commonality than through coercion. As a person of people, I fully understand that each and every person is an individual with their own inherent set of needs, wants, and attributes. Most people only need a spark to kindle their flame; others however, might need an inferno.
Are you here to help me then? You enunciate exorbitantly well.
Is this then my test? A special version just for me? My very own test of the infamous “i”?
Surely I have the capacity to exceed expectations here?
Surely I have the internal fortitude to compete with such a woeful master as you?
If the known ingredients of jealousy and envy create animosity, what then, equates a “Troll”?
So skool me then, oh “Get Wise” one, AKA “Last of the true Americans”, a.k.a. “ITS ALL ABOUT YOU”, and probably a few other monikers that you hide behind!
Two things are certain, America is spiraling downward at break-neck speed. And; You have the audacity to take personal snipes at folks on the internet, within a thread about Toyota ruining NASCAR, and you don’t even have the tenacity to expose yourself consistently! SAD!!!!
wellthen doesit really meanthat You must be sad-fully full of yourself thatyou cannot cope? Opps, looks like I failed the ignore the troll test!sorryfolks but eveni cannot tolerate a persoanlattack.
Cufishing – you now understand what it is like being arrogant and abused towards. Something that many of us have had to endure long enough. Not pleasant is it. Your culture needs to have a greater acknowledgment of your very statement.
I have have asked several questions but little answered but just abused – how arrogant.
The main Q’ i so desirely want answered is why the big uproar towards Toyota entering Nascar. Correct me if i’m wrong but i believe it is because if Toyota eventually goes to stardom then the likes of GM and Ford would hurt even further.
GM and Ford through all thier various global subsidaries have influanced many automotive markets for many generations as likewise in Australia but now that some external companies like Toyota, Mazda and Honda are having a profound effect then it is an AWFUL thought. How rude is that.
Secondly, with the likes of many hard core GM/Ford loyalists suggesting how great thier local car manufactuers are, why are we witnessing not just in America and Australia but on a global level are rapidly declining customer base. To me the answer to that is simple – because they are not quality or well engineered vehicles (and fuel prices). GM and Ford here in Australia have gained a reputation of providing some woeful products.
And, why are so many Americans so nieve towards anyhing external of thier own borders and in this case so nieve towards foreign car companies.
If you want to answer any other questions then feel free to scroll back and read some of my earlier statements
i will have a go at answering some of shanes questions;at least from my view point.for me ,toyota was the last straw.i have been losing interest in nascar for a few years now mostly because its so differnt now.the “cars” are just to phony.i like style and perfomance and toyota offers neither.they are just not cool.cufishing made a good point in regards to having had enough of asian imports in general. yea its cheap but man i cant belive the garbage thats made over there.i dont just say that ive experienced that crap.one other thing,ive been looking at some toyotas and i really,really,really just dont get it.i dont understand the attraction.these things are worse than ugly,they are boring looking cars.
one other point.toyota may or may not do well in nascar.in fact thats a moot point because nascar will insure that toyota is compeitive(another reason why nascar is turning me off!)i would prefer that nascar remained a “big three”sport,however, if it wants to go international it should be open to those car makers who have actually put a sports/hiperfomance/muscle car on the street.again, ive looked at camerys,corollas,etc.and i just dont get it.zero flare;zero sex appeal,zero style.
ohyea…and zero performance!!!
steve, you know it dude. they aint got nothin on us. they are tuners and only draw customers in the “in” crowd. to them all they care about is driving cars that the stars drive. i like how the govement cars are almost all GM. only the best. why do people like them assugly cars. like the honda element. looks like a box. and they all have very small engines. my coworkers toyota looks like he drove it through a parts store with a magnet on it. but all of the upgrades are for looks. except the nos. rock on US!
In my society there are players and haters. The players really attempt to stay on task, abide by what is right, and generally enjoy their short stay on this planet; Life really is to short! Then there are the haters who feel they got a raw deal, were not quite good enough to make the cut, or cannot look themselves in the mirror and demand change. They live with a constant hate towards others who did make the cut. The worst case of haters is the internet “Troll”. Full of themselves with envy and jealousy, quick to share their narrow minded views in a belittling manner towards others, grab attention and moreover, fail to add any value to a thread all the while filling their gullet with absurd satisfaction.
The thing about haters thou is they fail to observe the whole entity. Nobody here really knows the other, but some have built pacts of interest. The “Troll” here does not know you, the man in the space station, or me, nor does he know anything about you, the rest of the posters’, or me (he might, that may be his hidden moniker theory) but he displays dislike for me because I did something as an individual to break out of a mold. I speak for myself without a support group, I’m capable of my own thought process, and I can validate my information, theories and general assumptions. Therefore he will attempt to belittle anything that might show signs of his earthly littleness and ineffectiveness in society.
It is normally best to “I”gnore these loathsome individuals and let them die of starvation, however, once they make a personal attack the rules of engagement change.
“Toyota entering NASCAR”: From the standpoint of a global economy there are several inclusive and “un”-balanced free trade agreements globally. From this start point: Toyota entered the US market as a proving ground for their products. My society is full of long lasting hatred, evolved and instilled from generation to generation, fostered on the whelm that we must never forget. Therefore some never will forget select ideologies of our history. Yet some are quick to forget other faucets of history, especially if it deals with how we “really screwed that one up”. Blame should not be placed on the people who create the core of the American heartland; rather it should be focused on the US media. NASCAR started in the 1950’s, it did not consist of only American, or US labeled automobiles. That is the first fallacy of NASCAR history; its founding roots were not explicit. NASCAR eventually evolved into American only products, and then a new generation was fostered. All the while our government did not place tariff rates on Asian products. The Asian economy grew by leaps and bounds, and more and more products headed our way, “supported by our government” and literally pulled through marketing channels from the US consumer (death of US TV market). Enter Toyota: They entered the Off-road race truck series in that sports heyday, and totally dominated it. However, what good they did poor into that sport, the new events created for that sport, and an entirely new sport created from within all belonged to Toyota. This began the increase of US consumerism of the Asian automobile. Toyota now builds on US soil. Now they are entering NASCAR.
Recap: Our government *had* to win the race to nuclear superiority, we *had* to defeat the Japanese to end WWII. Our (at the time) current officials created a mass media program to gain support to finish the war, and build a lasting hatred for the Japanese. Our government convinced the entire nation that the Japanese empire was so evil, so chaotic, and so determined to capture the world, that if we did not stop them with the A-Bomb, they may never be stopped. Enter our first place finish to nuclear weapons, and world domination! Next stage; after the rebuild we have been ever so filled with an absolute “gut full” of Asian products, we don’t want another! That is the root core of all hatred for this venture!
@Shane:
“GM/Ford influence”; Yes and ok. Refer back to the recap of my previous post. Include the fact that in the “eye of the beholder” inferior products / companies have no influential right on this market. Take that for face value.
“Decline”; Quality and engineering? Outsourcing! Job security.
Fuel economy: Yes I can see that as the single most distracter for a US vehicle outside of the US. We have been duped into believing that somewhere around 30 mpg is an absolute perfect fuel economy. Our government keeps our fossil fuel prices at the lowest on the planet. Therefore, we must consume more fuel to keep this policy active. As with all circular cycles it cannot be easily broken. When Ford Europe released the Focus, it had an approximate rated fuel economy of 5.67 Ltr/100Km. that equates to just over 40MPG. However, when US Ford released the Focus, its fuel economy was center mass 30MPG. However, today’s Focus is close to its European predecessor.
“Naïve”; We have lost America as it was for my father’s, fathers generation. Some entities of business have driven entire corporations to outsourcing (UAW). A “gut full” of Asian imports is more than enough. I will end here as my internal hatred factor is building.
Let me answer ignorant Shane T. You said, in reference to GM and Ford:
“(…) why are we witnessing not just in America and Australia but on a global level are rapidly declining customer base. To me the answer to that is simple – because they are not quality or well engineered vehicles (and fuel prices). GM and Ford here in Australia have gained a reputation of providing some woeful products.
Well, Shane, you may think that we, Americans, are stupid and uneducated. You can’t fool me with your false grandiose statements. First of all, GM’s North America retail sales for February 2007 surged 11%. That’s right, RETAIL sales up that much, Shane T. As for your global statements:
The facts on GM from its December 2006 financial report:
“GM Asia Pacific posted adjusted net earnings of $83 million for the third quarter (reported net earnings of $231 million), down from last year’s earnings of $188 million. The difference primarily reflects the loss of income from Suzuki following the reduction in GM’s equity interest in Suzuki and costs associated with launching the important all-new Holden Commodore and Statesman models in Australia. Strong sales performance in the region continued as market share increased to 6.2 percent from 5.9 percent, driven primarily by growth in Korea and China. GM products continue to gain strong acceptance in the fast-growing China market, with record third quarter sales of 192,000 units, up 17 percent over the same period last year. GM’s global sales of GM Daewoo products exceeded 276,000 units in the third quarter, up 21 percent over third quarter 2005.
GM Latin America, Africa and Middle East posted strong adjusted and reported net earnings of $184 million for the third quarter, which reflects an improvement of $153 million from the year-ago period. The results primarily reflect an increase in volume generated by new product launches throughout the region. Market share in the region increased to 17.3 percent from 16.7 percent in the year-ago period as a result of strong sales in Brazil, South Africa, Colombia and the Middle East.
“Our Latin America, Africa and Middle East region posted their best quarterly financial results in nine years,” said Wagoner. “We are seeing strong performance and growth in virtually every market in the region – - a great example of leveraging our global product portfolio in key growth markets.”
Shane in a geeky Toyota, watching dingos and kangaroos…what a vision, ugggh
455 Sir Irony:
You said: “To salvage any American pride left in what Daimler did to Chrysler, which was a complete take over, and try to call it a hybrid is a joke. Get off your double standard and get the facts straight. Dodge is a Division of Daimler-Chrysler now and the parent company is in Germany. Germany controls what Dodge does. If Daimler says No, then its “NO” for Chrysler.”
Daimler being the parent company and having total control is not enough to make Chrysler a German company. I called it a hybrid because it’s an American brand (”born and raised” here) that is now owned by a foreign firm. I stand by my statement.
Your Nazi joke (”You can now all that Hemi a Himmler.”) is tasteles. I don’t think that anyone should find humor in the extermination of 6 million people.
Your sexist joke (”If you need consoling, you can get it from Dr. Z”)was funny. My husband loved it. I get consolation from him all the time. He tells me that “Sir Irony” is probably your penis’ pet name. His is “The Python”, and there is no irony there.
To this site’s moderator/webmaster:
You have now close to 600 comments. How many more before you create a page navigation system? We have to scroll for hours to get to the recent comments!!!
We need links like these:
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@Patricia;
Thank you for your comments.
Use the end key, scroll up.
@Shane;
Prime examples that people of my society can never forget deeds of others.
Thanks, Cufishing.
I feel better scanning through this site to see other genuine Race Fans. Americans bragging about Jap cars??? I was on a local expressway this week when a bad
Tundra got right on my back bumper, I was following another car so I moved over. He got on the car in front on me and that driver brake checked and of course the tundra forced me off the road. It became a drag race from that point since no one was on the road. PT Crusier turbo verses tundra, Guys that turdra is not what they advertise. Hope the jerk liked the PT’s tailights.
Can you buy a Toyota with their NASCAR style motor? Of course not, it is an American design simular to American Motors Corp. (Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, combo clone). Will you find a foreign design in Top Fuel Toyota Funny Cars? Of course not, all of them use American Design based on the old HEMI. Toyota in NASCAR does not promote their brand since nothing about a Nascar Toyota is Toyota!
@Cusco;
That is a mighty double sided key you type with.
A lot of folks have departed NASCAR because of the non-affiliation of the car manufacturer, hence the body aerodynamic “Template”, engine codes, and whatnots.
I salute you on your NHRA comparison.
Gotta love them HEMIs!
However, to keep things fair, Toyota does build a race worthy V-8. It’s referred to as a Toyota RVX-07, it produces over 740-Bhp, and screams (literally) at 19,000 RPMs.
Jon Lancaster What The Hell Are You Talking About The Orgin of Toyota is JAPAN Just Because They MANUFACTURE Toyota’s Here In The U.S. Doesn’t Make It AMERICAN GM is The LARGEST Automaker IN THE WORLD!!! Looks Like All You People Defending Toyota Here Need To Check Your Googled Information Before You Try To Start An Arguement
If you read the most recent Consumer Reports it shows where all the big car manufacturers have plants. Toyota is the number 1 manufacturer in the U.S. If the profits aren’t going back to the American workers (i.e. American economy), what good are they anyway? Seems to me that Toyota is the only company that values the skilled American workforce. Your “American” car manufacturers would rather pay less on the hour and offer less benefits than get a quality product.
Let me tell you about Toyota, i see it on our local news all the time. And i have friends that work there. They treat the employes so badly they have been trying to get a union for years. When the company hears about who is talking about it they get fired.
So don’t tell how great they are.They pay less than Ford In Louisville and workers have no rights.
Wake up and get real. A culture In American that defends unfair trade and supports Asian Instead of American companies
@KY;
What exactly do you see all the time on the local news?
I cannot fatom such treatment as to not warrant any civil rights crisis. The ACLU would be circling in a rabid frenzy of any such knowledge. Furthermore, would Wal-Mart still be at the top of this shameful list?
As far as pay, some people on this site are paid less than the Louisville Ford workers, maybe another reason they are losing ground, and jobs?
#547 Shannon:
What type of ignorant would make a remark like yours? Toyota is the number one manufacturer in America??? I hate people who make statements that are just pure lies. Where is the data to back up your grandiose lie? Shame on you!
From Karl Brauer,editor in chief from Edmunds.com:
“An AP story from last Friday analyzed the possibility of Toyota facing a serious backlash in the U.S. because of the company’s massive success in North America. The article suggests that while Toyota is working to increase the number of cars and parts that are produced in America it still imports over half (54 percent) of its total sales from outside our Great Land (mostly from Japan). Some GM folks recently suggested to me that being number one isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. With that title comes the biggest target of everyone from government agencies to consumer watchdog groups.
There’s no denying that Toyota is creating jobs and boosting the economy of the U.S. — at least at the local level. You can read about the new Mississippi plant they just announced here. But as was noted on my recent blog about “What does ‘American Made’ really mean?” the big cheeses at the big T all sit in Japan, and that’s where the bulk of the profits go.”
Death to Toyota
The ACLU is only good for taking God from our schools and protecting those that really hate us. And yes Toyota does pay less and a Camry cost more than a Ford Taurus. Where do you think the excess money goes. Stop making excuses for what Toyota has done with the help of plenty of our people in Washington
One day Americans will wise up and stop this madness
doesnt toyota just pi*s you right off. how good did toyota do on sunday? once again they brought up the back of the pac. why is there a track in mexico dude. while it isnt as serious as toyota, it still is a turn in the wrong direction man. we should boycot that too. lets keep nascar american. go chevys, fords and dodges.
didnt bob lutz of gm recently say,tongue in cheek ,that toyota has more clout in washington than does gm!
@Fellow Bluegrass-ian;
Amen to your last sentence!
The rest is biased vile. Hint; the ACLU is who set into motion the three cases that were processed against Toyota. Ford no longer builds the taurus, so yes the camry *should* cost more. I am a pragmatistic individual; so don’t assume I’m making excuses when I’m putting forth supporting validatable information. We as a nation need to come together and express our views. That will neve happen if we can’t even agree within a thread that posed to us to express our concerns about Toyota entering NASCAR. Or rather, “Does Toyota Ruin NASCAR For You”?
FYI: Toyota is the only current vehicle in NASCAR that has it’s production model built in America.
That is the biggest disgrace of all!
Ok, I look up F1. Wow. So now I want to know why we don’t have a f1 race team. Go fast turn left on the roundy round is gr8, but F1 looks way cool.
dead dude, you one crazie man. Got milk? Thats what go with oreo. Mustad goes on hotdog at baseball.
STILL MAKING EXCUSES cufishing
YOU’RE A LEFT WING LIBERIAL AND YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW IT.
We have a new congressman that is pushing a union at Toyota at Georgetown Ky because he does understand what they have been doing. Employee fired for having union stickers on his car!!!
This is how much you know The Taurus is back already Ford 500 is now the Taurus and is a much better car the Camry
Does Toyota pay you to talk this trash?
Your turn get your last word in
Excuses? Hardly! I’m fully capable of handling both sides of the coin.
Liberal? Sure, why not.
I do have political and social views favoring reform and progress as well as the protection of civil liberties.
I also have a tolerance for change that is not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition.
I am all for the education of ALL Americans, as well as individual rights to our LEGAL citizens.
However, I’m a registered Republican, fellowship #F02934359.
Your new congressman is a great fellow in the political realm, if it were not for my current commitments I would have enjoyed working on his staff.
Shall we meet at Nolan Ford this Saturday around noonish? We really should review their 2007 full size car line up over a cup of hot coffee.
Unless you are Toyota, then no, I don’t get paid by them.
I’m sure you know that a dialogue is a reciprocal conversation between two or more parties and has no set termination point, rather an invitation to continue when one has completed their previous round.
Next
There appears to be quite a bit of talk about Toyota employing lots of Americans, and how much these companies add to the U.S. economy. We hear that that anyone that takes issue with that is outdated and somehow less intelligent. What if those employees worked making cars for Ford or GM instead? The truth is that Honda and Toyota infuse money into the economy temporarily, but create long term ecomomic health problems for the U.S. Yes, these companies employ Americans, and yes these Americans spend their money in the U.S. However, there is no mistake that these are Japanese companies and that is where the profit goes. It goes to corporation. Each transaction that sends money generated in the U.S. to another country, adds to the deficit. What if that profit went to American companies instead? Yes, it is a global economy, and cars are made of components from all over the world, but purchasing a Japanese car (no matter where it was actually put together) adds to the deficit. Yes, it is a world economy with economies intertwined. But we are not one country yet, and at this point our country is suffering from a huge deficit. You can blame Republicans or Democrates or whoever you want for that. The truth is that no matter who you blame, the fact remains that buying cars from Japan or anywhere else for that matter does long term damage to the economy. Yes, Japan, Germany, and many other countries make fine products of high quality. There is no disputing that. I understand this argument for purchasing a foreign car. I am merely stating that foreign cars and other purchases to harm the U.S. economy long term. As someone who works in international business, I see this everyday. You can say that American companies build their cars all over and Toyota makes their cars in the U.S., but there is no mistaking where the majority of the profit goes, and how it does long term damage to the U.S.
As far as NASCAR is concerned, what is wrong with keeping with tradition and having American cars only (I know, they may be assembled elsewhere) in NASCAR?
@J;
Excellent.
I don’t watch nascar, although I have definitely felt like it has been making more of a presence on sports channels and such. Aside from whether or not nascar should allow foreign cars, I am appalled at the amount of racism being conveyed in the previous posts (I’m white… as hell). Just because you are uneducated and your uneducated pastor at your local southern baptist church thinks that foreigners are evil doesn’t mean they are. Secession should mean that the US implements a mandatory IQ test and separates the retards (higher % in the South) from those with a damned head on their shoulders.
J posted this… “The truth is that no matter who you blame, the fact remains that buying cars from Japan or anywhere else for that matter does long term damage to the economy.”
All I can say is… wow. I guess if I were posting horse crap like that I’d have to hope that people who understood economics wouldn’t read it.
Ever heard of specialization or comparative advantage?
Guess not. Well screw it, if we can’t purchase from other countries, they have no incentive to purchase from us. So lets just go back to the isolationist point of view that we’ve held in the past as a nation. Then we can let WWII happen again, then you’d be happy right?
The war thing is sort of a joke (although relevant), but seriously, international trade, in no way, harms the economy. Governments running large deficits to keep taxes low in order to fund whatever they want (use your brain to figure out what I’m talking about).
Posting #562 that says J’s an idiot must not have seen 8000 containers come in and about 5 go out. Global enconomy my but.
IT’S SO ONE SIDED YOUR THE STUPID ONE
Get in your Datsun and ride off into the sunset
Fair trade has nouthing to do with racism
the usa is in debt to china for over a trillion{thats with a T}dollars!!
The way I see it let them race, and look at it this way what better way to stick it to Toyota then to box them out and beat them at every race. If they never win then and waste all that money better for us right. Maybe the big three will make it known that you don’t come into our sport and beat us.
Where are you Shane? I don’t know your question that you can’t seem to find an answer for. But here’s some question for you. How many people does gm and ford employ in your country?If gm and ford pulled out who would be there?What would happen to the encomy if they pulled out?Is it the poor quality of gm and ford products you purchase in the land down under,if so who does the assembly? Americans?I think the Pontiac g-6 or gto are some your products and and a show called autoline detroit with experts in the automotive industry as guest not just americans.Well lets get to the point when this pontiac was on the lot the comments were they were disappointed in the quality and fit and finish and I believe it was a car your fellow countrymen built what can I say.The apple don’t fall to far from the tree.How many space flights have the Aussies made ? Come over here and take a look at all the americans that live in poverty because of foregn trade.Half the crap made in asia comes here and gets reworked because of the shitty quality.Some of the parts I use on my race car come from where you live.No problems as of yet.I don’t look at you all as bad pepole but somebody like you might change my opinion.open your eyes and be real your just talkin that anti-american crap get over it.I don’t look at the people in your country as a bunch of asses I don’t know them and some day I would like to visit your world just to see what its like.Well its time to go do some more inferior work on some inferior american an asian vehicles later.
Here you all go! The cake has been iced!
http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/us-manufacturers-irked-at-currency-manipulations-in-favour-of-japan/2007/03/08/1173166895736.html
GM employes over twice as many employees as Toyota so SUPPORT AMERICA BUY AMERICAN GM FORD DODGE
man. this got big fast
was woken up early recently.turned on speed channel.they were showing film from the 1972 michigan race!wow!real cars!real metal!not a hint of aerodynamics!426,429,charger,torino,monte carlo,cyclone!wow!metal got bent,but didnt fly off like paper mache{the aero fluff stuff of today}.cars were easily identifiable. they had character.they didnt slip thru the air;they punched a hole in it!!
well dude, another bad day for toyota.
I stumbled on this page while doing a research project on the Americanization of Toyota. I just have to say, in the greater picture of all things, why does it matter? If you want to continue to follow NASCAR, then go ahead. If not, then stop. Why do all of you have to impose your perspectives on other people? Americans = GOOD AND BAD, JAPANESE = GOOD AND BAD. It all equalizes. THEREFORE…Go hug your loved one and take a deep breath. In the end, it all doesn’t matter and it’s all the same. Right is Wrong. Wrong is Right. No Right then no Wrong. No Wrong then no Right. Take it easy… LOL =)
Another rice burner lover in disguise this socrates but at least he didn’t make excuses
Another rice burner lover in disguise this socrates but at least he didn’t make excuses just slowly bends over and kisses the Japanese on thier backside like our Goverment does
@socrates;
My good fellow, wise is not thee that does not follow the path to enlightenment. Enlightenment thereby is only for those wise enough to follow the full path. Wise is not to thee that cannot see the obverse from the reverse. As the countless annuals here can attest, the tombs of many have already been sealed. The fate of many more is yet shrouded through obtuse insensibility.
A question to thee, oh user of the moniker which emanates such grandeur wisdom.
Hast thou read “the dialogues of Plato”?
If nay, then afore yee commit another travesty, do such with vast ambition.
If yea, then yee knows of wit; and yet yee knowingly discharges this persona with great defilement?
I for one am sitting here reading many of these comments from one side, then the other. I sit here and wonder why a discussion about NASCAR became a debate about lifestyle, politics, and patriotism. I am republican. I have not been in the service. I am a student. My father was in the army, my grandfather in the army, and two cousins in Iraq, as well as a good friend. WWII is over. We won. We also killed countless more Japanese than they killed Americans. Fat Man and Little Boy took care of that. As far as NASCAR is concerned: I do not watch it. The thought of watching a bunch of cars take a left turn until somebody does it a thousand times does not appeal to me. However, since stumbling on to this site, thanks to my NASCAR-loving girlfriend, I have decided to change my mind. I will support Toyota because the ignorant people who dislike Toyota have some of the worst arguments, not to mention the foulest things to say. I am 19-years-old. I am now on my second car, a 2005 Chevy Cavalier. It sucks. I’m lucky to get 25 mpg. My last car, Ford Contour, replaced the transmission at 130,000 miles, replaced the starter 3 times, and finally had to get rid of it after a head gasket blew. However, my girlfriend drives a 2005 Corolla, gets 40+ mpg, and has not had to take it in to get anything fixed. Her family also had a Toyota truck for 13 years before selling it not too long ago. It had all original parts in it.
As far as Toyota opening a plant here in the US, I say let them. It employs AMERICANS. It does not import Japanese workers does it? If you say they do I want proof. Who cares if it is in sales? They are still Americans holding jobs. If you want to get angry at somebody, which I know you are not happy unless you have somebody to point a finger at, then take it up with the “American” big 3. Mexico, Canada, UK, etc., all manufacture, assemble, or export “American” cars. I know some of you out there have your panties in a bunch about the whole issue. “The Japanese are invading!” This kind of sentiment will not fly in the new world. Eventually, there will not be Americans, Japanese, British, German, etc. It will be one world nation. We will all be people. We will all have the same rights, and the same needs. I agree that maybe some things should not be tampered with, but has anybody suggested a new racing sport? How about we revert to the original stock cars of old in NASCAR, and make a new sport for the current NASCAR. Then the older fans can have their nostalgia, and the newer fans can have the competition.
That is another thing. I see all of these people defending the American products. If the American products are so good, why is Toyota becoming a giant name? If the big 3 were to step up to the plate and increase quality, while decreasing price, they would not be in the shitter. It takes about 3 people to assemble a Toyota while Gm requires 7-9. That means each GM has to pay more people. More people mean higher prices. Toyota also has a better quality product. The fact is that competition is the basis of a free-market economy, which by the way we are a part of. Do you really think Toyota would be as big as it is if the big 3 would put up a fight? Hell no! If they would stop outsourcing maybe they would employ even more Americans. Instead they pay Canadians and Mexicans to build an “American” vehicle. I’m disgusted by those of you who are “proud to be an American. and I’m a republican so I’m right. and everyone who opposes me is gay.” It is people like you who make me ashamed to be an American sometimes. However, it is you right to say it, whether it may be ignorant. Dare I say a dictionary might do some of you some good? I noticed most of the opposition to Toyota, except those from across the pond, have the worst grammar/spelling I have ever seen. Get an education and maybe it will open your eyes to the world around you. NASCAR is not the world and the world is not NASCAR. What applies to one does not have to apply to the other.
Thank you for making my interest in NASCAR. Hope to see the Toyota at the finish line… then the Fords, Chevys, etc. miles behind.
i would just like to say that now that toyota is better that any american car there is or will ever be. and that nascar is the most idiotic sport ever “lets go 400 miles in a circle only turning left and use technology from the 80s” lol
wow dude. what an idiot. why are you here if you hate nascar man. no one cares what you say. and the technolegy is not from the 80s. if anything its more advanced than the tech that goes into street cars. them race cars are bullet proof. not to mention how reliable they are. them 400 are tough on the engine when they red line the engine pretty much the whole race. thats quality man. and carbs arent old school, they mean performance. same with push rods. them overhead cams are too wimpy for 850 horsepower.
I dont mind Toyota running NASCAR. What I mind is that NASCAR let Toyota design an engine from scratch to race. Toyota had never produced a pushrod V8 engine for their cars yet they got to build what ever they wanted. While at the same time, Ford produces cylinder heads that you can buy in their racing catalog that NASCAR has ruled as illegal. It just seems that Toyota has been given an unfair advantage over the other players.
yhea “dead head” the tech is from the 80s might want to learn a bit before you post but i agree if you hate nascar you shouldnt be here
you must not know what goes into them cars. maybe you should learn. i dont know every thing about that but i do know the them parts have alot more tech than they did in the 80s. the only reason they dont use carbs is the power to gas ratio. they know whats better. fuel injection is complex to use because it takes too much power and adds weight. i used to drag when i was younger and have some clue about racing and weight problems. what makes you a true racer. plus, too much to trouble shoot at the track.
mabey the technology aint from the 80s but talk about global warming
lol..by the way JAP ALL THE WAY
Regardless of what era the technology comes from, that fact is that America is not one culture. It is comprised of many cultures. Ask anybody what American culture is and you will get a different answer each time. So why not let Toyota in? Youre afraid to lose to someone who is different. That in itself is ignorant. That in itself is racist. And racists are the scum of the earth.
What achild this nascar sucks is. Google the new Tundra commercial and see how fast it really is.GM IS 2 SEC FASTER IN 0-60 FORD IS 1.5 FASTER AND BOTH GM AND FORD GET BETTER MILEAGE AND CHEAPER EVEN WITH Japan paying part of the money ON THE 4TH ATTEMPT OF MAKING A REAL TRUCK You would think they would buy a GM or Ford and take it apart like they have done for years
jap all the way? Only if your a loser
How about those Honda’s cheating on odomters reading for over 4 years. Once they start telling the truth you rice burner lovers just might wise up
not once stupid always stupid
Rollover anf play dead for unfair trade American with a choice. i HEAR THESE EXCUSES ALL THE TIME MY CAR IS MADE IN AMERICA. Toyota EMPLOYS over 200,000.00
THEY TOOK AWAY OVER 3 MILLION SO FAR WITH THE PRACTICE OF DUMPING
people who dont like nascar, LEAVE!!! we are here to defend our sport and some are here to make it worse for others. go back to myspace because all your looking for is to get attention and cause trouble. we here because we want to show our sides and why toyota is good or bad. maybe we should start a private chat room and kick out people(childern) who dont belong. its sad that these people will soon run this country. RESPECT FOR OTHERS!!!
at least someone other than me can see through him and his poor attempt at fitting in.
#577 American with a choice:
Why do you need to bring up the fact that so many of your family members have served (oh, and a friend of yours too!!). So it looks like you are a hero by association?
And you are a Republican? Loving Toyota Republican? Let me puke…
Toyota is getting killed in Nascar. Next, when they become the number one car company in the world, let the backslash begin. Death to Toyota
leave it up to you to save the day. you must have a 160 iq or something. wish i was as smart as you.(im not being a smart a*s either)
Long Live Ford, GM and of course Chrysler
Death to all the rice burners
First of all, show me why theyre stealing jobs when AMERICAN COMPANIES are outsourcing. Second of all, way to attack a person’s character rather than theyre argument. AND I have just as much of a right to be here as you do. You said it yourself dead head “we here because we want to show our sides and why toyota is good or bad.” How do you have both sides when youre trying to squash the opposition? How ignorant can an argument get when you only have one side? AND the reason i included all of that about my family in the service is because many of the earlier comments were talking about how “you werent even in the service so you dont have an opinion.” ok well i will be going into the service. Its people like you who give the real Americans a bad name. You are the ignorant few who give the open-minded masses a bad name. Lest you forget, this country was founded by immigrants and foreigners. How many of you can say you arent descended from immigrants. I say Toyota has as much a right to stay here in the US as you do. So if you want to point fingers, point them at Ford, GM, and Dodge. You can support them and criticize at the same time. Its called comsumer feedback. Use it.
A question for all.Toyota started building full size trucks i think in the mid nineties why haven’t they knocked Ford from the top sales spot on trucks??? They’ve had over 10 years to do so.Thers is a handful of Toyota full size trucks in the area I live in with 10+ years on the market.lol, Where do you think the profits go? As for all the people they employ they = a buisness exspence you know write off.I work on cars and trucks for a living I don’t do much import work.It gets old to have to remove these micro bolts they use that break off super easy.The shank is usally corroded in the piece they hold on.Oh yea don’t youall remember all the custom older toyotas that you see at the car shows .like the 34 fords or old chevies.Nuff said
American with a choice uses all the excuses and the 15 million plus immigrants and foreigners are a burden on us now and don’t even try and speak our language but use our schools and free medical. While sending most of the money back home to bring more here
Get real it’s not the 30’s and ther is no free trade now
how old are you “American” with a choice? 19? you havent been around long enough to know the truth. American company export jobs because when people buy forgien it takes money away from the big 3. it adds up over time. so when we lose our jobs, they send theirs over here. wouldnt it make sense to buy American and keep our jobs here so the profit stays here. sure,toyota puts jobs here,but the companys forgien. its a trade, but bad for the economy.why cant you see that?by the way, im 43.
As far as trucks, Toyota may not make the best. Who cares. Im not arguing trucks. And as far as sending companies to other countries, why do you think people started buying foreign to begin with? QUALITY. Pure and simple. As for the “excuses” im using, IT is the TRUTH. They make better vehicles, (trucks excluded?) and so they have as much right to be here as anyone. And by the way, i was talking about LEGAL immigrants. The fucking illegals can leave for all i care. Build the fence and shoot them if they cross. Legal immigrants dont burden the US.
So what if toyota joins nascar? It’s more competition, more money, more promotion, and more people watching this sport and possibly supporting Nascar in the end therefore gaining more support in America than it already has. I’m saying that when something new that is untraditional is brought to a sport, it catches attention and therefore creates controversy.
The Camry is fair game due to the location of the manufacturing company based in Georgetown, Kentucky, USA; Altona, Victoria, Austrailia, and Toyota City, Japan. The American Ford Fusion is produced by the Ford Motor Company and is manufactured at Hermosillo Stamping & Assembly plant in Hermosillo, Sonora, Mexico (which is also where the Mercury Milan and the Lincoln MKZ is built). The Chevy Monte Carlo is an American car assembled in Arlington Assembly in Arlington, Texas and Oshawa Car Assembly in Oshawa, Ontario, Canada.
On this site, I have read comments stating that Toyota is stealing jobs away from Americans. What about Ford? They are America’s vehicle’s right? So why are most of them assembled outside of the U.S.? They’re holding other manufacturing companies in Canada, Mexico, United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, Argentina, Austrailia, and South Africa for their vehicles.
Toyota is the first non-USA based manufacturer to enter Nascar. By their rule book, it states that cars must be built in the USA to enter, but because the Camry is assembled in Kentucky, it qualifies as an American car; even though the car comes from a Japanese headquartered manufacturer.
In 2007, Toyota released its full size truck, the Toyota Tundra, produced in two American factories, one in Texas and one in Indiana. “Motor Trend” named the 2007 Toyota Camry “Car of the Year” for 2007. It also began the construction of a new factory to build the Toyota Highlander in Mississippi. How is Toyota not an American car if it is ASSEMBLED in America by AMERICANS.
This is my opinion. Take it or leave it alone. Toyota is in or not, i’ll still watch nascar because i like it.
Hondas, specifically honda civics, are THE MAIN rice burners, not toyotas. toyotas are family cars built for a particular demographic (that doesnt mean asians only). besides, if anyone were to purchase a good exhaust, not the cheap ass one that makes buzzing noises, at least put it on a nicer car.
Alright, I have read the comments on here and I must say I am greatly depressed by the illiteracy in the arguements. Some of these arguements aren’t even valid. Some of you can actually give specific reasons, however, others just insult others and don’t really take the time to research the facts. The two most intelligent comments I have read have come from “American with a choice” and “Southern Girl”. That being said, I believe that some comments have been said that should have been heeded.
First of all, Toyota is made in America, the big 3 are made elsewhere. Toyota employs Americans. The big 3 employ those that are in the countries they are stationed in. Secondly, this country was founded by immigrants. It was founded by ideas of those outside the country. How dare anybody say that Toyota has no rights here? It is ludicrous to believe that since they are Japanese they are not allowed to be in Nascar. The cars that are made by Toyota that are in Nascar are made here in the United States. That gives them every right to be there. Not giving them this right is like saying that if you were born in the United States, you do not get citizenship.
That being said, I am in full support of Toyota and I believe that they deserve every right to be in Nascar as every other car there, since they are made in America, by AMERICANS.
once again. WHEN YOU BUY FORGIEN, NO MONEY GOES TO GM, FORD OR DODGE. THEREFORE THEY SEND JOBS OVERSEAS BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD TO PAY THE HIGH WAGES IN AMERICA. then toyota sends jobs here. while they do pay wages, the rest goes to japan. it is a trade, but a senseless one. only part of the money stays here, why not let it all stay here. but we have to make a change first and get our jobs back.then we have to get people to buy from the big 3.
Ok you are not seeing MY point. QUALITY drove sales down for GM, ford and dodge. Poor quality=less sales. High quality=high sales. Do you get it now or do i have to dumb it down some more? GM ford and dodge are stuck on the whole suv fad and less people are buying. Theyre products are inferior and cost more than toyota.
“WHEN YOU BUY FORGIEN, NO MONEY GOES TO GM, FORD OR DODGE. THEREFORE THEY SEND JOBS OVERSEAS BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD TO PAY THE HIGH WAGES IN AMERICA.” hey dead head, do you have any sources to support your claim? as in online source, perhaps? Because, all in all, you could jus be sayin a bunch of bull as all of these other people on this forum.
no, but it is common knowledge. and im sure its not to hard to find some either. think about it, if you dont buy a goodyear tire, but instead toyo, does goodyear profit from that sale? is it really that hard to get?
I dont think thats what xavier meant. I think it was meant more like “THEREFORE THEY SEND JOBS OVERSEAS BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD TO PAY THE HIGH WAGES IN AMERICA.” Do you have any sources to prove thats why they go overseas? Or is it just because theyre cheaping out on labor?
My bad i left out some smart people. “American with a choice” and “Who really cares”…American with a choice couldnt agree with you more about racist people being the scum of the earth
yeah, but they say their (trucks?) are so fast. huh, you dont like when everyone sees what you are. so, in you as usual child like ways, you turn to violent language. then you trick yourself to belive we are jokes. all because you cant stand it when someone voices their opinion that isnt the same as yours. to the rest of the adults, why do people make jokes of this site? (comment 604)
you saing that makes you a racist. or are you special and you dont count?
and im raciest how?
you saying that racists are the scum of the earth. you are racist against scum. bashing rednecks, that indirectly means you hate. so you are racist against rednecks. even though they are humans, they just live differantly. you must have the steriotype idea of a redneck. well, just another to add to the list of people that dont think others are normal if they arent like you.
To “Who Really Cares,” thank you for your generous comment.
i dont even want to argue with you, i said to a smart person that isnt a redneck, and im bashing them how your just pissed cuz im bashing you and i hope it hurts …JAPS ALL THE WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im not a red neck, and your childish comments have no affect on me. no wonder why this world is in the shape its in. people just dont act like their age. and if you want to play this game, i wont. i must be more mature than you. thats why your weak comebacks are no more than a pimple on my fat neighbors a*s.
I dont know what is wrong with all of you, but both sides represant valid points and back them up with all they have. What makes ones choosen side more right then the others? The fact that you care about what someone else thinks about you most likely drives it all. Who cares what they think about you? Why argue when you’ll never win? This applies to all in this forum. God bless and look to God in your time of uncertainty.
There are no times of uncertainty. Toyota IS in NASCAR!
Why DO YOU bring God into the mix?
Who is he?
Where is he?
Have you met him?
You evolved! Genetics and biological science prove this.
Where is your proof?
Stay on topic, or STAY AWAY!
Whatever shape this world is in, it is because of the baby boomers. And as for the racist comments, who are you directing that toward dead head? Because my comments were not racist. Since when is scum a race? As for the redneck comments, i think of a redneck as an uneducated, ignorant fool who speaks out of his ass and does not try to better his views or try to support his side.
you just say your an aetheist because he brought up god. you just wanted a reaction. why are these people so childish.
ANTI CHRISTAN LEBERIALS STAY OUT
You know who you are more excuses Southern girl LET OUR GOVERMENT PAY FOR HEALTHCARE FOR Ford.GM and see who gets kicked back to asia land
ROFLMAO! Talk about childish! Are you seriously mentally ill? Or, are you just a homeless, jobless boozing bum?
WTF is a “ANTI CHRISTAN LEBERIALS” ? I’m typing this slow as I know you can’t read fast, but I need to ask. Is that redneck for Duh, I cant spell, but I’m gonna post anyway? Go plow a fricking field, or milk a cow, or chew some backy while riding your tractor!
My government rules a FREE land. Don’t like it? Move the Frick Out, and take your stupid, bare foot and drunk son with you!
Must have struck a nerve. The Aetheist chats like a child and likes name calling. (So Sad) When we take our country back you might have to move. Bet he or rather it is from the North No manners !!!
I bet the fellas down to the barber shop really get a good kick out of the likes of you two.
“When we”. WTF? You ain’t done jack or shiite, except drove us completely into debt. Why do you think we owe China so fricking much money? Boy-George is the turd of the ‘publican party, and he ain’t even bright enough to realize it! That is what’s sad. Even sadder, is there are people who think he is capable! You do have one viable point. When we take back the country in 08, you dumbass’ might have to move. If you look at the atlas, you’ll notice Tennessee is SOUTH of Da’Ville, and we are proud of our residential former Vice President who was robbed by a crock back in 00!
FYI; I don’t live at home and my mother is no longer here. You can act big and tough, and post crap about how drunk you are, and all that. But at least have respect for others that are not here!
With what the Democrats are doing now we will take back the congress in 08 and you cut and run folks will leave once again. They did it in 1974 and are trying it again.
So much anger from The Aetheist he really is a sick puppy.
Don’t burst a pipe. Just get in your left wing anti George rice burner and take a drive and cool off. bUT ENOUGH ABOUT POLITICS
Death to Toyota
dead head, dude please. Take a moment to relook the last 100 -125 postings. People are humans, humans have their own intricate set of feelings and thoughts. You speak of childish people here making posts. Then you call me a name, a very low down and dirty name (mind you). I may wag my internet tongue, but it has boundries. I would never call anybody something as horrible as what you called me. At least if you are demanding respect from others, at least show a little yourself. I accept your apology and agree with you about mother jokes. But to call me what you did is not amusing belittling, or even degrading, it is flat out insulting. I would go as far as joining that “good ole boy” from Kentucky to kick a satinist’ ass, right here, right now, in a Ney York minute. You say you belive in God. That is great, truly whole heartadly great. But mind you, a satinist belives in the Devil, the arch nemisis of your beliefs. They practice the dark arts, and invoke things in their minds with drugs, and blood of animals. I will have nothing to do with any of it.
Dammit, you got me so pissed I forgot to say, toyota is shiite.
BTW: I drive a Chevy Tahoe. You may have seen it, it’s Red, White, & Blue, tinted windows, chrome wheels, kick ass stainless steel dual exhaust. But it’s the rear window that gets everybodys attention.
“Clinton liked hummers,
Bush destroys hummers,
Impeach Bush”
alright dude, no more jokes or smarta*s remarks. i had you wrong. go chevys.
Sounds like your still mad about Kerry Edwards defeat too. You still have that sticker on your truck too.
You do have a male dominate problem and would make a rather good bully if others would let you.
Driving a Chevrolet is cool. But we cam clearly see you were never in the Service or you wouldn’t be so anti George.
Google your candidates and you’ll see what a liar Hillary is and the other want a be his middle name is Hussein. He just might be a muslin. Don’t have a problem with that but he’s a liar too. Good luck with your pro tax anti Christians.
You really going to be upset in 08 when we take back the Congress and the Senate and retain the White House.
Kerry/Edwards -No! Maybe only the extreme left liberals in California would argue. I may dispies the current president, but at ‘that’ moment he was the lesser of two wrongs.
Show me a candidate, any candidate, that does not strecth, mold, bend or manipulate the truth.
What does my service obligation got to do with anything? Just about half of all field grades and above are Dems, only the enlisted are hard core Repubs. I would venture to wage that more than 85% of all flag ranks are Dems. But that is only clear as mud. I’ve got big enough balls to hold my own.
08 will be a telling time! It appears every candidate you guys bring forth has something to hawk about. I could see myself voting Rudi, however, with the latest connection of his law firm to chavez brings with it more turbulance.
Both houses, and the big house will increase/go Dem as the nation will go forth for a cleansing.
NASCAR offical standings, #50 Waltrip, -27 points. toyota has been real impressive, even with an undisclosed substance in the intake.
toyota is shiite.
I live near the Toyota plant in Kentucky and only 42% of the Toyota’s are made in American and employees are so afraid of saying anything about how that are treated we have a local Congressman that is trying to pass laws to keep them from firing workers that try and unionize. We have had several workers on out local news that has law suites against Toyota for unfair work practices too. Some were fired after 15 years of service for having pro union stickers on their cars.
Keep defending them and sending your money to Asia. Why do you think almost all Import car plants are in the south or in rural areas? Folks like that will work for less and take more trash from employers.
Tell Nascar to use production engines only and the rice burners will leave now.
Try talking like a American and caring about Americans and stop making excuses
im voting for hillary. she sees how unfair the “free” trade is. and if she turns out like bush then thats another liar. sometimes i wish gore would of won to see what he would of been like. we cant control what they do man. why cant they just be honest. too bad it costs so much because theres alot of nobodys that would lead us in the right direction. aetheist, do you live in new york? maybe i have seen you. i cant top that, but the wheels on my trailer havered, white and blue pinstripping on them. go chevy
She has to win the South and the Black vote. Google her she is the most hated women in America
She need s to go back to her carpet bagger roots
Women like Southern Girl is why i love my dog so much.
POTTY MOUTH AND LIBERIAL
yeah but you just did what i do. why can you do it but not me? im defending myself and what i belive in. whats wrong with that?
well, i found out im shipping out back to iraq in 2 weeks. my hand healed and they need me back. them hummers arent gonna fix themselves. dead head, dont listen to them. the world only revolves around them(southern girl, get wise). but aetheist, do you like chevys as much as i do? theyre the best out there. in my opinion, i guess now you cant say something with out clealy stating its only your opinion. this forum is off topic so much now. everyone is picking at what ever someone says.lets get back on topic
mike dude. your back man. sucks for you man. have you seen how bad toyota has been doing. man, dw used talk about how great their gonna be, now he doesnt say anything about them. its not that bad with toyota in as i thought. you only hear aboutthem when they wreck or blow an engine. they only lead when the other cars pull into the pits. doesnt last long though. well now im gonna get hammered for what i said, even though if you watch the race youd know its the truth.
Will Toyota be able to Qualify without provisionals? I meant without cheating also.
Don’t know Bro. This is only my third vehicle, the first ever bought new. First rig was a hand me down 1/2 ton short bed Chevy, built back in 1977, before my time. That made it through HS and into post secondary school. Spun a bearing or some shiite, and Uncle Bob came and got it. Swapped it out with a 1994 Ford Explorer, first and last Ford, EVER! That made it through school and into the real world. Upon our return, took it home over furlough and gave it to my cousin. Spent the next two years on a third hand hog, then bought the Tahoe(new 05) new in 06, the same day my letter of resignation was submitted.
The ‘hollers’ of Tennesse is home. We have ridden through NY as a group of HAWG riders, the Tahoe did not make that trip.
You keep that fat head of yours down, wear your fricking helmet and armor and only one pass through the chow line. Semper Fi, Bro!
Southern Girl, why are you here?
There is no logic in your comments. If all you want to do is bust somebodys arse and piss in their wheaties then do it and pop smoke, elsewhere.
A mutual NASCAR friend passed this site along, we share interets in both NASCAR and hatred for our current administration. The fricking japs entering NASCAR is the last fricking straw. Boy-George supported the fricking japs manipulating the market and their fricking peso, or chicken shiite yen. NOW, they have the audacity to fricking pay off good people, and enter NASCAR. “Good ole boy from KY” up there pointed out they have plants in the rural south. AND he even told you WHY! 1+1 = jap crap in America! Those boys need jobs, they are too scared to sound off, their families need a life, shoes, clothes and toys. Groceries ain’t getting cheaper, and the price of gas only makes matters worse. Have you ever experienced a Christmas where all you got was a pat on the back and the life long experience of a tear running down your fathers cheek? All the while hoping that the one toy you helped buy for your siblings was enough. Our government won’t supply them with jobs, so they try to take care of themselves, they are too proud(unlike others), to take a handout. So the fricking japs come in, give them a penny arsed job, low benefits, and use scare tactics to keep them in line. The trade off is NOT good for America, the economy, or NASCAR! These bastards are like barnacles on a ship, they slow you down, drag you in lower, and eventually cause you to sink. The bastards won the war without force, we have been impaled upon their technology, TVs, DVDs, stereos, other than BOSE show me an American company that is competitive in that market segment! They have been tempting us with their fricking jap crap cars for years, now they are here! Can you NOT see WTF is wrong with that?
For all you right nut neocons, you can stop with the left wing liberal jap crap. We drive US vehicles, because that is WHAT is RIGHT for America. American workers, American products, American made in the USofA! We can trade blows all we want, but when you see our public figures, they are getting out of US vehicles. That is the one place we all share a piece of common ground. Man up, or get the frick out!
If NASCAR is allowing Toyota to enter their circuit is probably because the
American People have spoken. Toyota is one of the top auto sellers in this country, and no, is not all Japanese buying their cars. Is the American Public who are choosing the best value for their hard worked dollar.
Bring it on and race. Toyota, Honda, BMW, Benz, etc should all be in NASCAR. To be the best you need to beat the best.
BMW 3 Series stock car racing sounds good to me.
Because sometimes dead heads miss a beat. Then they miss a hit. Then all hell breaks loose. I like Chevys! Probably not the kind you are used to! But Chevys none the less. Do you like Chevys?
you too chevy man. you sound like a person that doesn’t let other cats boss you around
boozin good as well
i know i drink around 2 bottles of jack every day
This entire arguement is incredibly childish. All anyone is doing now is insulting others, not discussing logic about the fact that Toyota is in Nascar. Has anyone actually taken up action to prevent this? I mean anyone that is posting here. If you hate Toyota so fricking much, then do something about it. I have heard both sides and I support Toyota because our country was founded on freedoms. If you intend to call me childish, then I would like to ask you who the one insulting others is. Especially you “Dead head”. Please stop all of this childish blathering nad get back to the main point. Toyota is indeed in Nascar, and the way I see it, they will remain there for quite a while. Who is better and who is not does not matter anymore since they already have their foot in the door.
Once again, please stop this childish banter. By the way, stating that the south will take back the country is treason. Do you realize that? In this day and age, treason is a very severe crime. I suggest you watch what you say.
Just remember that we are all able to say what we want, how we want. Everyone has a valid point, however if they cannot back it up, it seems a little illogical to discuss it at all. Thank you.
dead head. i have a dionysis lifestyle witch meens i do every thing in exsece
dude, lets focus. we need to include nascar.
starting to crash got to go
It would seem there dead head after the tongue lashing you got from ‘The Aetheist’ and ‘Southern Girl’ you would have have wisened up a bit. Guess she really knows you can’t help yourself.
all i know is we need to stop the political talk. nascar shouldnt include toyota. they waste gas and time because they suck anyway. they should start japcar in japan and then see if theyd let us race their. bet they wouldnt. because people dont see they are taking advantage of our stupid goverment officals and leaders. or its a big conspiricy man.
If Japan started their own version of NASCAR, Ford, Chevy, and Dodge would have to have each of their companies assembling cars in Japan to actually participate in the race. That’s how Toyota even had the right to join in the first place.
HAHA -> “[toyota's] waste gas…” When you’re not busy smokin pot, you should at least read how much gas they save compared to other small cars. Maybe other american small cars are better, but from what i’ve read and experienced, toyota saves a lot of gas = a lot of money.
Gawd, everything is a conspiracy! AHHH F*CK!
Again, if your so upset about this NASCAR situation, get off your ass, stop messaging on this site, and protest against NASCAR’s decision.
I’m still going to watch it cuz its not like ONE car company will make me upset and bitch at NASCAR.
This is interesting:
Toyota Cavalier (1995-2000) production.
Under agreement with GM, this car was entirely produced by GM in the US. The 3rd generation Chevy Cavalier model was sold to Toyota.
Weird.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy_Cavalier#Toyota_Cavalier
Link to prove that i wasn’t lying/making that up.
I agree with this sentence ->
“all i know is we need to stop the political talk…”
But these next sentences confuse me.. ->
“bet they wouldnt. because people dont see they are taking advantage of our stupid goverment officals and leaders…”
Why? I thought you wanted to stop the politcal talk! and that sentence just starts it all over again..
Alright dead head, way to go dude. Must have been some pretty good experimental hallucinogens you were on. Would that have happened to be “The Lizard King” you were chatting with?
Dude. LEAVE! Go elsewhere and post your crap. Or as pointed out, get off your ass and do something. Either way, just LEAVE this site!
dead head, WTF dude? You called me a terrible name. A name that is so chaotic, and so horrid, that visions of grotesque visages filled my dreams. Time off station was needed to prevent any further dialogue. Is this the presence of your true being? WTF is wrong with you?
Here you are, raising the dead and carrying on a two dimensional conversation with them. That is satanic dude! Totally and unquestionably satanic! You speak of believing in God; however, your ramblings prove otherwise. Are you sick dude? Do you need help? WTF Dude?
dead head has recently been located working from his trailer.
http://homepages.bw.edu/~gwalton/funnies/files/troll.jpg
just don’t feel Toyota has earned a place in NASCAR (even though they have the best selling sedans in the country right now). You would think it would go to Pontiac, Buick, or even Cadillac before it would Toyota, or God forbid a ‘Honda’ which I have even heard rumors of wanting to enter into the ranks.
For example, suppose Japan had it’s own domesticated ‘NASCAR’ brand series (Fuel injected, FWD sixes on oval circuits) Sort of a stretch to consider (But not really). Imagine now Ford wanting in on the action, only wanting to field their RWD, V8 Mustang.
Then for the purposes of competition over there (or to ‘fit the mold’), Ford created a carbon copy of the V-Tech six , along with a FWD layout beneath a Mustang shell…The Japanese would be screaming Murder…And the Ford fans (unlike the Toyota faithful here) would be diving out of windows over it.
Honestly I think Toyota’s stay in NASCAR won’t exceed a decade if that. Once the recent popularity spike starts to drop off, Toyota will be packing. Toyota simply bought their way into NASCAR because of it’s recent popularity. The whole point again is nobody should be allowed to buy their way into an American institution a lot of Americans, like it or not, feel is sacred to a certain degree. Simple as that.
How legitimate is a debate where all the arguements against toyota, except yours of course, are “toyota suck, Bad car, They sucked in the race… etc.”? Really, the only ones in here that are debating about NASCAR anymore are you and southern girl. The rest turned it into a political debate, which in essence it kinda was to begin with. But yes it should be about NASCAR.
i will gladly take back what i said about you, but if you look through this entire forum youll see comments like that. that was another poor comment again. but i will stand my ground and i will not be told that i souldnt be aloud here because of what i say and do while everyone else here is doing just what im doing, but they defend the otherside. or with the exception of a few people.
To Southerngal who isn’t understanding even the concept of a discussion of this type –
What does ‘legally’ have to do with any of it? Legally NASCAR as a sanctioning body can do whatever it wants; It could start racing stripped down Yugo’s if it wanted to.
This isn’t a criminal matter were discussing here, hence the title ‘Is Toyota ruining NASCAR for you?’ For me it does to a certain extent, and if you would bother to read my initial back to back posts above (and ignore the squabble which your only furthering) — you would understand why. NASCAR is an American institution; A formula!…That is based on American engineering! Those aren’t Toyota’s running around the track…Those are lavish copies of American midsize ‘muscle cars’ wearing a stuck on Toyota front end decal. Get your crap together, nothing on those Camry’s is Japanese — it’s American!…And it’s a blatant rip off of American engineering to further their own image (or to fit it) — period!
Perhaps if Toyota at least took that ‘I’ force V8 (or whatever it’s called) out of the Tundra, fitted it into a midsize (or even full size) shell with the rear wheels driving it — then it would at least appear to myself that they are serious to some extent to fit the NASCAR ‘mold’, which obviously they aren’t. So they should get out because THEY HAVE NO HISTORY WHATSOEVER WITH V8, RWD’S!!!!
Domestic brands do; We wrote the book on them!!!
hey guy that wants me banned, i am not going to leave. so stop asking me to. read closer, most of them have something to do with nascar or a subtopic.
Doesn’t matter, the whole point is Toyota shouldn’t even hold a place in NASCAR. It’s not even a valid argument; It’s just a fact….And it’s obvious since the morons attempting to make some sort of argument in support of Toyota, can’t even counter a single thing I have typed down.
Don’t forget to sign the petition while you’re at it.
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/get-toyota-out-of-nascar.html
as you are attacking me and my ways.
When i said “legally” i was talking about how the camry is built in america so it has a right to enter the race being an american car even though it has a foreign name. That’s the only thing i meant when i said legally. Sorry for the confusion. Todd W, im not saying that your argument is bad or anything. I got it.
http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/headlines/truck/02/11/toyota_history/index.html
^ there’s an interesting toyota/nascar article.
To answer the message board’s title: Toyota in Nascar doesn’t bother me because its more competition. I’m not saying that Toyota will kick American car ass, but Toyota in or not, it’s still a fun race to watch.
A Toyota camry winning a race, in my opinion, has a very small chance stastically. The race track is dominated with cars from Dodge/Ford/Chevy which means that American cars have more of a chance to win than Toyota since they are seriously outnumbered by the number of teams. This doesn’t mean that they won’t have that slim chance of a win SOMETIME. I’m not sayin that’s going to happen anytime soon (the toyota racing team is like a baby right now) but someday it will.
Yea, toyota is foreign and doesn’t follow an american tradition, but things change and NASCAR accepted it under their rules / regulations. So we’re just gonna have to deal with it.
Oh well…
Well Todd, your content is a little lacking. A long ways up the post list a fellow by the handle of cufishing posted some NASCAR history. It appears that the early days were not all American cars, that in fact there were all sorts of cars involved. Clearly that busted the myth about All American, and only American made etc.
However, to me toyota is not an American product, and just because they have a plant here does not make them an American compnay. Furthermore, toyota will not ruin NASCAR for me, it will just help me make better decisions. Instead of ordering Dominios on race day, I order Papa Johns. Instead of NAPA, I goto Federated Parts. I now ship FED-EX.
Maybe NASCAR wanted a change? Is that so scary?
todd, i signed the petition. and i sent it to everyone in my address book.
Thanks Dead head : )
Hey southerngal, why don’t you just post everything under one name? That’s what I’m doing…hell I’m even using my real name!!!
As far as foreign cars in early NASCAR (which would in the forties!!!)
You know, I didn’t know there were many foreign makes dirt tracking in the south in the early days of NASCAR; Get your crap together!!! …And what the hell are you quoting some poster for now, that you happened to read over a million threads ago before you started your bullsh*t anyway?
It’s obvious you don’t know a damned thing about cars, so obviously; You don’t even know what in the hell your talking about. The point isn’t wether or not your going to order a pizza from Dominoes ‘Southerngal’
…The point is those rear wheel drive Toyota’s…that are running an over head valve V8 (which GM helped them design in California!)…being fed through an American designed 4 bbl carb, turning gears in a Ford rear end, being ignited by an MSD ignition (yes American)…we invented that too…way back in the sixties (only then it was referred to as ‘T.I’ or a transistorized ignition that could rev an engine at 10 rpm all day even in 1970!!)
…The point is again
….Nothing on the cars is Toyota; It’s a combo of Ford and Chevy. The only thing Toyota about it is the peel off stickers that look like Camry headlights. The Toyota of NASCAR should be refereed to as something else. Like those Canadian MoPars of the 50’s that used front clips from Dodges, on Plymouth bodies — ‘Plodges’ they were called.
Don’t quote some idiot to me that you can’t even properly quote in the first place. At least give somebody that half knows what in the hell they are talking about make a post.
~ToddW, don’t be so easily confused. I and Southern Girl are not one in the same.
So you are now saying people can’t have an opinion unless it only revolves around you and dead head? (sad)
I pointed that post out to enlighten you. However, you are showing signs of narrow mindedness. If you were to have taken a moment to have reviewed that, or any other NASCAR history for that matter, you might have learned something. And IIRC it was the fifties, and not the forties when Jaguar, Porsche and what have you raced in the NASCAR events. But somebody of your grand tenure would have already known that right?
Though your current analogy of NASCAR is pretty spot on; All of the current cars are the exact same, minus the driver, pit crews, owners, and sponsors. Hell even JJ would have a hard time getting an advantage with this plastic replicas.
they should make it real stock car racing and then people will see the truth about toyotas. under powered and over rated. todd, you forgot to mention the bodys of the cars which are regulated by nascar. not even close to a camry.
So if all the cars are the same, how can you compare the camry to everything else and criticize it? If it were still true stock car racing, it would be more fair to criticize. And as for dead head and his off topic posting, you havent shown one bit of proof for your arguements. as for the attack on southern girl with the term “legally,” the context was in NASCAR rules. By their rules, it is legally eligible.
If you re-look post #680, you will see some examples. Then backwards read any of the 26 postings down 100, or more if that is not enough, that should satisfy your curiosity.
I had to block this page from my son because of dead heads postings.
ban dead head, now you are dismissing what everone else says. so now the world revolves around you? you are the narrow mimded one. how come your right and every one else is wrong? we can say what we think and you say what you think.
NASCAR is RWD, under 6 litre, OHC, V8’s right now (has been for a loooong time). The rare instances of Porsche in IROC in the seventies, or Jag at some rare event when James Dean was alive doesn’t even enter into the discussion here. Regardless, NASCAR is of an American layout…and has been since it’s inception; American, i.e. ‘National’ ‘domestic’ autos…
Especially it’s modern evolution to where the ’stock’ car layout is purposely of American origin.
Allowing Toyota into NASCAR is a bit like this concept — Take the miss America pageant. Like NASCAR it’s an American competition…Only there are guidelines to it.
A. You must be a female (and have a vagina)
B. You have to partake in the competition by wearing the swim suits, and dresses, etc.
Now suppose some Japanese guy was allowed to enter into the competition to be miss America. Now he’s had the ‘change’ (So he’s got the vagina) , can wiggle into a swim suit, so what’s the big deal right? I’m sure you would argue for that as well. In fact, I can see ‘Southerngal’ sticking up for such ideology already….Here’s what she’d say –
“I see nothing wrong with this transsexual having a shot at being miss America. Only a close minded individual like yourself Mr. Todd, would be so afraid to accept such a radical (and welcomed) change to the miss America pageant. Why I’d be happy to have this transsexual as my miss America.”
Well I wouldn’t ‘Southerngal’ because like Toyota in NASCAR; a Japanese transsexual has no place in the cockamamie miss America pageant!!!!!
“Al Keller (April 11, 1920 Alexander, New York – November 19, 1961 Phoenix, Arizona) was an American racecar driver.
Keller participated in the NASCAR “Strictly Stock”/”Grand National” (predecessors to the current NEXTEL Cup) series from 1949 to 1956 with 29 career starts. He won two races during the 1954 season and is the only driver in the history of NASCAR’s top division to have won a race in a foreign-built car, winning the 1954 Grand National road-race at the Linden Airport in New Jersey, driving a Jaguar”.
yeah, but notice how the forgien cars all are gone,where gone. and now there back and cant even give the chevys, fords and dodges a run for their money. they waste gas having them in nascar.
Still not getting ‘it’ I see. There’s a big difference there…and do you know what it is??
That Jaguar in 1954 was….a Jaguar!! They didn’t load the Jag on a boat, and when it got over here had it retro fitted with a carbon copy of an Oldsmobile motor, and Ford rear end, Ford floor pan, and GM suspension wearing a Jag body now did they??
That’s grasping at straws and you know it. The cars back then were essentially ’stock’
And the ‘Jags’ back then were intended for road racing (hence road course). NASCAR evolved from dirt ovals strictly running American built V8’s. That’s a pretty far reaching, and lame attempt to justify that it’s alright somehow for a Toyota to compete in an American sport, and in order to do it — copy the 40 yr old design of an American automobile. Embarrassing really.
If Toyota wanted to race on oval circuits (termed stock car) — They could have at least started their own that follows their own ‘performance’ formula; FWD, turbo charged sixes. Problem is most people don’t really understand the achievements of the American automobile, or they would hold more pride in it when it comes to such matters.
Those engines that are sitting in the current NASCAR Chevrolets are of a 52 year old design!! The small block Chevrolet was so perfect when introduced in 1955; That they are still running it….and it is still winning! 750 hp, off of an iron block introduced in the fifties!! No turbo’s, no super charger, no N2o — just a proven, reliable, essentially perfect engine, that is of American origin!
When you copy that design, and attempt to cover it in a Toyota body; Yes, it is bound to piss a lot of Americans who know better off. I know it does me, and if you live in this country (and have a bit of pride in past American industry) it should you too…But obviously you are too stupid to realize it, and are making your argument simply because you are making payments on the Toyota in your driveway, and want to see the family Camry (you wish anyway) running around Daytona.
My advice to you is to sell your bland Camry, and with a quarter of the payments — buy yourself an early seventies Chevy truck with a worn out 350. Get up off your lazy ass and go pull that motor out (it isn’t hard to do, under ten bolts — you would be amazed) order yourself a GM crate 383 (you will still have cash left over) drop that motor, find a nice turbo 400 trans (which is practically bulletproof)…head out on the street, and at 30 mph punch that accelerator down…You will never want to sit in another Toyota again, I promise you.
Your opening in post #692 speaks volumes of you. My reference in post #694 must have struck a nerve. It appears your nice long post #696 sums it all up. I don’t have a camry, or any other foreign vehicle. I do drive a truck. But it’s a Ford truck. Not sure who you think you are trying to irritate here, but I have no qualms with you. But it appears you have some serious issues, and you are clueless as to who or how to unload them on (sad).
What about the Porsches that raced in The International 200 at Langhorne, Pennsylvania, June 21, 1953? I’m sure you have a story to tell about that too.
Go ahead get your last word in.
Again, i have to ask. If all the cars are meant to be the same, why does it matter? If NASCAR has such strict guidelines as to the vehicles on its courses, then why does it matter to have another one? In essence it isnt the car you dont want there, it is the extra competition. What if toyota gets better? Hell, what if toyota wins? How would that bash your ego if your racer goes down? AND if toyota isnt winning, does it affect how your American driver drives? Does it affect their standing in the race? Will it really make that much difference to beat one more car? Suppose they dont get better? All it is is one more person your driver has to beat. And if that is so, then it wont be much of a challenge. BUT if they win, it makes the challenge better and more interesting.
I forgot all about the Porches that ran at Langhorne. In fact, that must justify the whole Toyota argument were having here 50 plus years later. Because I’m sure those were just Porsche bodies with Ford motors, and suspensions underneath em…Just like the Toyota’s of today right?
I don’t think so — that was a rare event, (one on a track that doesn’t even exist anymore) — and furthermore, doesn’t reinforce your point (which you haven’t even made yet) whatsoever.
The sport was barely gaining ground in 1954 for Christ sake. The majority of the cars didn’t even have roll cages, or window nets installed. It was evolving, and Porsche has had no impact on the evolution of it whatsoever.
The bottom line is Toyota is in NASCAR only by name. Nothing on their own race cars (engine, trans, rear end, rear end pump, radiator, fuel cell, fuel pump, carburetor, suspension layout, wheel spacers, ignition, brakes, and the friggin tires themselves) are of their own product…
So how can you offer me a few rare instances of true stock bodied Porsches, (that ran in the fifties no less) — as some kind of valid argument to make it okay for Toyota to not only buy it’s way into NASCAR, but copy the engineering of it’s own competitors just to compete with them? Two totally different subjects there, and any other ‘foreign’ ,make to run in NASCAR in the past ran what they built. That’s the big difference, and obvious one that you don’t want to acknowledge; just because it is so obvious that it’s a no brainer.
No see N E man….
When Toyota came in — they didn’t even have a NASCAR type V8 to stuff into their cars. So what they got was essentially a clean slate to work from. They borrowed engineers from GM to design their V8 at some hi tech lab in Irvine Ca.
So actually it could be looked at as them at an advantage. Because they are allowed to essentially build a band new ‘American’ small block, and use years of testing, information, and development suffered at the hands of their own competitors. Pretty lame huh?
So what your saying is, because they borrowed engineers, and GM allowed them to do so, as well as NASCAR, they shouldnt be allowed to race? So what your saying is, the competition might be too great? What your saying is you dont wanna see another car company that is there by name to win your event? IF they are only there by name, then why does it matter what name they are flying under? What does it matter. A name is just a name. No matter how you say it.
Show me where I said it’s okay for toyota to be in NASCAR. I merely said it would not ruin it for me. And I would make better decisions because of it.
But I will remind you of a few things:
Post 686:
“Todd W says:
March 17, 2007 at 6:28 pm
You know, I didn’t know there were many foreign makes dirt tracking in the south in the early days of NASCAR; ”
Don’t overlook post 692
“Todd W says:
March 17, 2007 at 8:22 pm
NASCAR is RWD, under 6 litre, OHC, V8’s right now (has been for a loooong time). The rare instances of Porsche in IROC in the seventies, or Jag at some rare event when James Dean was alive doesn’t even enter into the discussion here. Regardless, NASCAR is of an American layout…and has been since it’s inception; American, i.e. ‘National’ ‘domestic’ autos…”
It’s a shame really for all of that NASCAR trivia you posted to just be puffed into thin air. One might have thought with all that knowledge you show that you could have at least researched NASCAR history. And that you actually read what other people posted. (sad) Is the day for it all to blow across the desert like dust in the wind.
Go ahead you can’t make it without the last word.
they have a toyota sticker on them, thats the differance. and look at the honda ridgeline, they “borrowed” the design from the chevy avalance.
Nobody is talking about trucks. THAT is off topic. Dont be a hypocrite.
yes it is slightly off topic, but it is an example of how they just copy us and claim to be the best. so it has some relevancy to the topic. they being forgien auto makers.
Regardless of whether they are foreign, regardless of whether they claim their own technology or someone elses, they are in NASCAR and they have a fair shot at it. They have the right, under NASCAR rules, to race. And if you dont like it dont watch, because im sure NASCAR wont care. The competition will be better in the next few years and i expect to see a toyota winning in the next couple of years. If not, then ill be wrong. Doesnt matter to me that they are in it. Just makes it that much more interesting.
Must I always come in to comment on how off topic everyone is getting. The initial topic was to discuss whether or not Toyota should be in Nascar. From what I have read, I still support Toyota, however I must give credit where it is due. “Todd W”, your posts are in fact very intelligent and I commend you on that, however the real issue i have with them is that you are denying the facts that other present to you. The fact is, maybe Toyota was in the races long ago, but that changed. That is clear proof that times change and so do rules and regulations.
One of the real issues that I believe people are having is that if a Toyota car were to compete and gain victory, then fans would steadily switch over to Toyota, causing more money to pour into Japan. This will become an issue, however, debating about it will not solve it. What will solve it is the American cars winning.
I still believe Toyota has a right to be in Nascar. I believe it would provide for more entertainment to see some newer challengers enter the races. It would entise competition between the different racers and provide for a better show for us all.
Once again, I thank you, “Todd W”. Your posts have been intellectual and amazing to read. However, to discredit this current post would be a waste of your time because I only put the possibilities in there. Thank you.
So what So what your saying is, because they borrowed engineers, and GM allowed them to do so, as well as NASCAR, they shouldnt be allowed to race?>
I’m saying NASCAR shouldn’t have allowed them to race (in effect NASCAR let them buy their way in)
Honestly I don’t have a ‘driver’ — in fact, I didn’t even watched the 500 this year. Like I said there is other divisions deserve to be competition before Toyota (Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac)
My event?
IF they are only there by name, then why does it matter what name they are flying under? What does it matter. A name is just a name. No matter how you say it.
What kind of nonsense is that? No offense, but that’s about the dumbest thing I have read in here so far. They are ‘flying’ under the name of TRD (or Toyota Racing Development) …yet all of the ‘development’ as far as their NASCAR escapades have been is to copy the domestic rivals down to the cylinder heads
i am going to go off topic for a moment and ask you all to forgive me for my actions that have created hatred toward me and my opinions. in return for you forgiveness, i will respect all opinions and respond in an adult way, while still defending my side. i would like to be able to post what i have to say and have people respect and accept what say. i understand i have wronged many here, and i addmit that. im saying this as a man who knows when hes at fault, and can accept responsabilty for what hes done.
I looked for over an hour to try and find anything that refers to GM helping the development of toyota. I couldnt find anything. So please show me a link and i will accept it. If you cannot, then stop using that argument. It isnt legitimate otherwise.
Aetheist dude, that might have gone a little too far. Yes he mocked her post about legality, then i put it into context for him, and no response. He got beat end of story. Now, to call him all those names makes you no better than dead head. Lets just stop with all the negativity and focus on the issue at hand. And im still waiting for the sources Todd, lest you forget.
N E man, only an idiot (or somebody who knows very little about a simple V8 engine) — can see the Toyota is a push rod V8 copying American design. That isn’t even debatable. Let alone it wasn’t even copied in Japan; it was copied in Costa Mesa, or Irvine Ca.
For this other poster typing out ‘beeeattch’. There’s just something about somebody who has to get ‘hip hop’ with a key board. Spare me you’re hip hop bulls*hit act on a message board please ‘Wegro’
You’re not ‘threatening’ ‘G’ (especially as text on my AOL screen) — and you sure as sh*t obviously talk that way away from the box. Tone it down a bit ‘Playa’ …because one of these days somebody is going to call you on it. Hopefully the next time you’re at the counter in McDonalds with you’re ‘ladee’ and go ‘What up dog’ to the poor gentleman behind the counter…
Hopefully he will simply reply ‘I don’t know’…Then look over to you’re ‘ladee’ and inform you that unlike yourself he has never been ‘up’ a dog before.
NE Man, you are just so correct.
The proof flows so well don’t it?
I havent called you any names, so why you gotta call me names? As for the proof i asked for, im still waiting. PROVE TO ME WHAT YOURE SAYING IS CORRECT AND I WILL STOP ASKING FOR IT.
Atheist hasn’t even argued the issue whatsoever…(obviously knows little about it)
N E Man acts like he can’t understand the simple concept of duplicating (or copying) an idea to promote ones self (or company) in someway. Maybe he doesn’t (obviously knows little about the mechanical angle of it all as well)
…And what proof are you looking for? That GM engineers helped design that block and heads in Ca.? Go to Jayski.com and read through the engine development programs. You might learn something, because obviously you know hardly anything of how those engines work whatsoever. Considering the premise of what you’re debating here considering that; yes, you are a complete moron. With no sense of pride whatsoever for American ingenuity, even when it’s thrown in his face.
This isn’t about just Toyota in NASCAR; it’s about a concept you seem to fail to understand. GM, Ford, and Chrysler built motors, and vehicles to defeat the Japanese who were intent on coming over here and ripping the stomachs out of you’re grandparents. There’s a pride factor involved, and it shouldn’t be for sale when it comes to something like NASCAR which is a 60 yr old American institution. Built up around the American automobile itself.
On the rare occasions 50 yrs ago that they let a Jag enter in, do you think anyone would have stood for the British simply cloning an Oldsmobile in a California plant and fixing their name to it? Hell no, and even the British had more respect in their auto’s then to go through with such a move.
wow, i have the feeling we are OFF TOPIC. should i say, hypocrite. now you know what i felt like. i got attacked for defending my side and now yous are defending your sides.
First of all, i brought it back to the topic. Second of all you were consistently off topic.
it doesnt matter. your off topic. a good example, if you kill 10 people, you go to jail. if you kill 1 person, you go to jail. your still being a hipocrate.
WOW!!!
Sheer keyboard rage!!!!
What’s even more of a mystery is why this ‘Ford truck’ drivin individual would get so bent out of shape when it comes to a topic like this. Obviously he’s got a Toyota Camry that he’s making payments on, and it’s getting to be a burden after five years or so, and still not owning it!…..And anyone who says Toyota shouldn’t be a ‘NASCAR’ online or off, (more so online of course) — will feel his wrath!!!
I bet N E man is the type of guy who will zig the Camry in and out of two lane traffic as fast (and as careless) as he possibly can…only then when he’s caught at a red light he’s as civil as possible (because he knows the outcome already of heads up racing with the Camry at red lights; he can never win those little contests (even against some vans!!!!) So after one of those, or the monthly payment on the Camry arrives, or even worse yet…Someone remarks that the Camry isn’t really a ‘NASCAR’….Do we get to see the true N E Man!
So now you want to kill people! Geez dude, get it together!
Looks like another weak start for toyota. Oh wait, where’s #55???? Just about time to order some pizza, Papa Johns pizza at that!
…And N E man
The engineering powering those ‘NASCAR’s isn’t too far removed from the 40’s — That Toyota V8 is a clone of fifties America; When Chevrolet reached the magical 1 hp per cubic inch in 1955 with a push rod V8. You are right, you need to learn A LOT more about the entire subject (especially when you take up such a firm position with absolutely no concept of what you are talking about, or basis in fact)
Toyota’s auto industry is founded on unibody econo cars; That’s their history. That’s why we don’t see any historic NASCAR type series in Japan.
America’s auto industry is founded on full frame, RWD, OHC, push rod V8’s
Big difference! Especially when it comes to who is eligible to compete in a certain brand of motor sports. Since you’re such a Ford fan, the head of Ford performance, Jack Roush has similar thoughts on the entire subject as I myself do.
See
http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/BlogJam/2007/01/26/Roushs_fightin_words?page_no=2
~Todd W, it appears you might have your posting messages crossed. I drive the Ford truck, and I don’t own a foreign car. The car in my driveway is a Ford as well, a 01 Taurus to satisfy your curiosity.
Todays race is another fine example of NASCAR for me, at the moment, the closet toyota is in 28th place. Matt is in 4th! And I just placed my Papa Johns order.
~Todd W, ok the link in your last post explains a whole lot. That really does make a difference. It certainly appear you have worked yourself into the same “nationalistic frenzy” as has Roush.
Sorry dude, but I don’t have those same exact feelings and anxieties.
Is it wrong that my family and i have foreign and american cars??? (specifically: chevy, dodge, toyota, nissan, and BMW)
Toyota is already in NASCAR. That’s it. It’s just the way its going to be and have to be accepted, for now. Toyota is fighting their chance to be accepted and if not, then f*ck it. Not everybody is goign to like the same thing.
oh and the Ford fusion is made in mexico. now that’s crap because i really thought it was made in america.
I own a Chevy Cavalier. I have never owned a foreign car. I owned a Ford contour, crapped out on me, and now my chevy is starting to feel the miles. It only has 40,000. Chevy sure is a quality product. And a blog isnt really a reliable source.
ban dead head, it was an example. i dont want, and never will kill people. i wish dw wasnt for toyota. he seems like a good guy. the real sad thing is that all them guys driving toyotas only did it for the money. them chrome wheels look real nice with all that brake dust. there ment to be black just for that reason.
~ dead head; There is no apology for your comments. This is the real world and you must face life as you are dealt it. However, it is quite obvious that you were not the only guilty party here. I must also thank you as well. If you would not have made those comments, I would not have banned this site from my son. Therefore, I do owe you that. Because a few people here, ‘The Aetheist’ and I also see quite a bit from ‘Todd W’ now as well, and some others clearly cannot control their mouth/fingers.
However, I have already sent the message to the board officiating guide, and I’m sure once he sees all this foulness, he will have no choice but to just close it.
At first I had thought ‘NE Man’ was the guide, but it no longer has that appearance.
That was great. Good pizza and cola, then the #44 car got a penalty for speeding on pit road, then got another one for speeding on his penalty pass. That makes for some good action.
Looks like Matt and the rest of the Fords are going to have to team up to beat those Chevys!
look at them toyotas spin! two for one.
I wont apologize because what i said, though it could have been worded differently, was right. I was asking for your sources so i could learn. If it seems like i dont know mechanics, youre right. I dont know much about it. Thats why i was trying to learn more about it. Instead you went off on how stupid i was for not know, rather than showing me where you got your sources. Where did you find out that GM was helping toyota and where does it say what goes into toyotas racing cars. I will say, your comments about my intelligence were uncalled for. My comments were uncalled for, but i stand by them.
To answer your question I read that two years ago at Jayski.com when they were developing their American designed motor for the Tundra truck (which is essentially the same motor only shifted to the Camry’s)
…In Costa Mesa Ca. not Irvine. Regardless, they designed that motor in record time by engine development standards; it’s only obvious that they had assistance in North America by GM engineers to design an American push rod V8. It’s a known fact, but I’m not going to read that far back into Jayski’s archives just to appease you for the sake of this message board.
You see even the Ford’s aren’t entirely Ford’s…and the Chevy’s aren’t entirely Chevy’s. For example the Ford 9 in rear end is arguably the best rear end ever engineered here in North America — so Ford, Chevy, and Dodge all use it. On the other hand the trailing arm suspensions on all cars are of GM design (taken from Chevrolet trucks of the late sixties)
So in other words all of the cars ‘Dodge, Chevy, and Ford share a make up of the best American designed parts of the period (the 1960’s). Only all of those makes use their own engine designs of the period, the Chevrolet 350, Ford 351, and Chrysler 340)
….Toyota has zero history in the design, yet is allowed to run American parts, with a cloned American V8, and flaunt it as a Toyota Camry on the race track. Simply because the average new breed of NASCAR fan has no idea of the ‘mechanics’ of it all. The reason for them being allowed into NASCAR is because they sell a midsize sedan in North America, and that shares zero in common with that Camry you see on TV. That Camry is essentially a North American ‘muscle car’ badged as a Camry to broaden NASCAR’s fan base (those who drive Camry’s, the best selling car in the country)
Only it’s a complete fake, and an American tradition of sorts has sold out to allow it to masquerade as ‘legitimate’ in the company of the innovators of the design (GM, Ford, etc.)
I went to jayski.com and foudn nothing that indicated that toyota used GM to help develop a car. I saw that GM thought toyota had one of the best engine designs, but nothing else. “On the engine front, Ford’s Jack Roush says that Toyota has the best engine design in the sport at the moment and Dodge has the second-best. GM officials agree, which is one reason that GM has been promoting NASCAR’s proposed new engine.” (jayski.com)
NE Man you don’t have to look for such information. For Toyota to be eligible just to compete, they had to essentially copy an American designed small block engine….and in doing so, (without hunting for the obvious) who do you honestly think they are going to employ at their California lab to help them create an American engine that conforms to American standards, and has been improved upon, tested, and developed for decades now at the hands of American engineers in America?
The Japanese?
I don’t think so!
So what youre saying is you have no proof, only speculation. You dont have any evidence so you bash something because they have the potential to be better than the home grown thing. OK.
Toyota got to see all of the teams engines before they got into Nascar and they took all the benefits of each design and combined it to come up with “their” engine. That much is fact. Another fact is that a large number of the engineers in the Toyota plant in Ca, are former Ford, GM engineers. Get your crap together!
Remember your the one typing these sort of statements –
Go and learn something before insinuating that somebody that does know what their talking about doesn’t. You’re Camry has nothing to do with a ‘NASCAR’ — get over it
Here’s youre statement I’m referring to again (I wudn’twant it confuse with one of mine)
NE Man — it seems like i dont know mechanics, youre right. I dont know much about it.
Forgive me for trying to better myself. Forgive me for trying to learn. Forgive me for wanting to know where you got your infor, so i can see your side of the argument. So rather than crapping all over everything i say, why dont you oblige and provide the sources.
The best way to settle the issue of if a company makes cars in the USA or not is to examine domestic content.
Domestic Content by Category (2005 – sales weighted)
Ford, GM and Chrysler Group 76%
Japanese Automakers 48%
Korean Automakers 3%
European Automakers 7%
Foreign Automaker Avg. 40%
Domestic Content by Brand (2005 – sales weighted)
BMW 10%
Chrysler (domestic brands) 78%
Ford (domestic brands) 78%
GM (domestic brands) 74%
Honda/Acura 59%
Hyundai/Kia 3%
Isuzu 79%
Mitsubishi 36%
Nissan/Infiniti 46%
Subaru 26%
Toyota/Lexus 47%
Volkswagen/Audi 4%
There are many people that claim that foreign automakers create thousands of jobs. Let’s look a comparison of employment in auto parts. Auto parts makers employed approximately 620,000 U.S. workers in 2005 (with sales of approximately $356,000 for each U.S. auto parts job). Most major auto parts makers serve multiple OEMs, both foreign and domestic. However, based on average revenue per employee, domestic automakers likely supported approximately 480,000 of those parts jobs, while foreign automakers supported approximately only 140,000 of those jobs.
If you want to justify your foreign purchase, go ahead. I support domestic content producers. I have economic patriotism as well as political. This is the only way I know to support our economy and our workers.
Last year, domestic automakers (Ford, GM and Chrysler Group) sold
approximately 57% of the cars purchased in the U.S., but bought 77% of the
parts made here. Meanwhile, foreign automakers sold 43% of the cars
purchased here, but bought only 23% of the parts made here.
That translates to tens of thousands of jobs. We all have to collectively raise the bar. Domestic content matters. Pay attention and spend wisely
Actually Tim, a better place would be to look at the UAW source.
http://www.uaw.org/uawmade/auto/2007/index.cfm
You will find both the monte carlo and charger under CAW for Canadian. You won’t find the fusion, it’s built in mexico.
I see you still consider Chrysler as domestic, why might that be?
Ok… the point of this site is not what to buy. It is whether Toyota ruins NASCAR for you. For me it doesnt. Should they be there? I think so. It adds competition. Does that make me “unpatriotic”? No. Its not like im going to bomb the US in favor of Japan. Its not like im going to shun every other car company. As as for buying a Toyota, i will because they are inexpensive. At least until i have money. Then i want a corvette. So im not completely against American vehicles. Im not in favor of all foreign. I just think toyota should be in NASCAR.
Toyota makes NASCAR man. Did you see that wreck today? Oh well, at tleast the fans got a good spectacle from it.
These anti American pro rice burners have taken over this website like the Japanese lobby has paid off our Politicians in DC
Unfair trade is unfair trade. Keep making excuses until you lose your jobs
Work on that trash and you’ll see Toyota’s suck!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree with NE Man. I drive a toyota and an american car, but that doesn’t make me less of an american.
and no.. toyota does not ruin nascar for me because they put on quite a show today.
Go away “its too late.” Just when this issue was starting to get clean with good information, you mess it up all over again.
Ok. didnt i just get done saying this is about NASCAR? It isnt about trade. So lets stay on topic.